How to transpose to KID against 1. e4?

I normally play some kind of Sicilian against 1.e4, but I am learning the King's Indian Defense and wondering about any risks of trying to transpose to that against 1.e4. If want to transpose, what is the best route? Via the Pirc, or Modern Defense? Can white easily avoid transposing to KID?

If you can't answer that last question yourself then you aren't learning it very well...

I've only played it vs. 1.d4 and 1.c4, is why I'm asking

really? The KID is a defense against d4 openings. Black can't transpose to a KID if 1 e4 is played. White can transpose, if ,for example, 3 f3 is played in the pirc. Remember it's only a KID if c4 is played  

I know that white always has some other options - I am asking which move order by black is most likely to lead to KID.

You're looking at this all wrong. Black cannot force a transposition. Presenting White with opportunities to doesn't change that. If you want to play the Modern or the Pirc then you need you need to learn the Modern or the Pirc.

Actually it is quite simple....I play the French regular but sometime I want to explore other options and since I play the KID as black decided to more or less fool around with just the type of transition you describe.

I use 1....d6 as a waiting move (a tweener) and after the normal 2.d4 I come back with 2....Nf6 and then just follow normal developement into a KID. However you could end up playing a Sicilian Dragon line and you need to combine some study of the two defenses so you have a general idea of what to do.

I'd say play a few games for practice and see how you like it! I had a blast in 10 minute games with this new found "Pet" opening and will probably keep it as part of my opening repretoire.

Hope that helps!

There's an interesting KID like (pawn on c5 rather than e5) transposition from the Sicilian,  but not forced....It arises from an O'Kelly Sicilian where white can play c4. ( He can play c3,Nc3 or d4...)

I got this from "Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian".

...I'm starting an O'Kelly thematic for those interested......

When you study the lines and specific pawn structures of the KID & Sicilian Dragon there are enough similarities  that it is possible depending on move order to transpose into lines that would arise from either opening.

The player of the black pieces just has to keep a close eye on whites developement and work thru some variations but otherwise it is not such a quantum leap. Now if black wants to play with e5 in the KID maybe there are a few problems but using the c5 lines I have found it to be playable & have seen GM's mention many times that the similarities do arise.

If the white side is intent on playing 1e4 and black wants to venture into something off the beaten path to mix things up a little this offers just that. Remember that the white player is thinking Sicilian most likely and his play will be along those lines. So black must keep an eye on both the KID and Sicilian Dragon to know where he has treaded. That being said the white player may not fully realize he is being coaxed into a d4 game such as the KID and could find himself in un familiar terrirtory. Either way it is an enjoyable adventure if someone wants to play around with the possibilities.

Are you clinically insane? No? Retarded? No? I have no words for just how outrageously inaccurate what you've just said is. No words. none. I wouldn't even know where to begin...

just play the moves, d6, g6, Bg7, and voilá!

This is a discusion about forcing/tricking/allowing/hoping that White will play c4. What is it that you're talking about exactly?

You can get a similar structures if both sides wish.  But no.  You don't, not best for black.

Basicly X Player JX is right.  The move order given gives white the option to transpose into a KID.  Incidentally, this is what Mikhail Bottvinnik thought were the best moves for white.  

Even here black can try something like-

1 e5 g6

2 d4  B-g7

3 c4 d6

4 N-c3 N-d7

5 B-e3 e5

6 d5  

and black try to play f5 without N-f6 and then N-somewhere else first.

But ultimately black can't make white play c4, or even make the alternatives inferior, so can't make white transpose.

You're talking about a very simple concept. How could you possibly believe what you've just said?

You know what? I take it back. EDIT - [4K]

Pretty much everyone would play 3.Nc3 in this position - they would rather play a Pirc than a KID, especially since they're an 1.e4 player.