Hyper-aggressive openings

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uttanka

Does anyone know a hyper-aggressive opening for black? That sacrifices pieces in the opening and goes all in?

Wezzyfish

Center defense?  1. e4 d5  2. exd5 Qxd5  3.Nc3 Qa5

Not a fan personally, I never play it, but its pretty aggressive I suppose.

Erik_29

If you play people who like to try the fried liver attack, the traxler counter attack is about as crazy as you will find.

uttanka

But do you know any type of openings that sacrifices pieces than just pawns.I follow the Muzio gambit for White but I am confused what I have to do for Black.

HilarioFJunior
 
TheDev1

Although some of these have been mentioned, the fried liver, the lolli attack, the budapest gambit, the latvian gambit, and countless king's gambit lines are the most aggressive of which I can think.

csalami

You can't really sacrifice a piece as black and get away with it...most gambits that sacrifice only a pawn with black are bad. A piece is just too much. 

tmkroll

I made up an early piece sacrifice for Black years ago which is not very bad, but it's not the best move in the position and White has to play pretty badly to allow it.



tmkroll

There's also Brian Wall's "Full Metal Jacket" which seems sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VB0J0eBB4Q

tmkroll

It's not surprising you can get away with this kind of thing when White plays f4, but it'll be a rare day you run into that kind of position.

X_PLAYER_J_X
 
 
 
HALLOWEEN GAMBIT


 
 
For that is the question?
 
tmkroll

Halloween Gambit is bad. There are at least two clear refutations. Also I thought the OP was asking about these openings for Black.

In the Glek 4-Knights (g3) you can play a reversed Halloween Gambit with the Black pieces which is much better than the regular Halloween Gambit. Did Magnus Carlsen play that or am I remembering wrong?

Also Frankenstein-Dracula Vienna Game which is the sac of an exchange and the right to castle but Black gets a lot of play.

Also the "Fishing Pole" Ruy Lopez if you like Brian Wall's stuff and the more respectable version with the Bishop in the exchange variation. Both of those are pseduo sacrifices because White actually loses the game if s/he takes the piece, but even when White does "fall for it" Brian has made kind of Blitz repertoire system out of his weird Knight move.

tmkroll

(also the Latvian Gambit that was mentioned earlier is not agressive at all. If White knows what they're doing Black will have to make five or six moves with the Queen just to keep from being lost and end up in an extremely passive position or even the bad end of a theoretical draw.)

satanichess

¡Por favor, sea relevante, útil y agradable!

X_PLAYER_J_X
tmkroll wrote:

Halloween Gambit is bad. There are at least two clear refutations. Also I thought the OP was asking about these openings for Black.

In the Glek 4-Knights (g3) you can play a reversed Halloween Gambit with the Black pieces which is much better than the regular Halloween Gambit. Did Magnus Carlsen play that or am I remembering wrong?

 

Also Frankenstein-Dracula Vienna Game which is the sac of an exchange and the right to castle but Black gets a lot of play.

Also the "Fishing Pole" Ruy Lopez if you like Brian Wall's stuff and the more respectable version with the Bishop in the exchange variation. Both of those are pseduo sacrifices because White actually loses the game if s/he takes the piece, but even when White does "fall for it" Brian has made kind of Blitz repertoire system out of his weird Knight move.

He said hyper aggressive openings not sound one's Wink

TheDev1

Well, I did not believe you, so I plugged the latvian gambit into an engine. The engine gives white about a pawn advantage. Considering the muzio gambit gives about -0.8, I would not call the latvian gambit unsound.

tmkroll

I didn't say it was unsound. I said it's passive. Black will have to move the Queen several times in the opening while White develops freely. The Latvian Gambit gives White a huge initiative. There are some lines where Black doesn't win the pawn back and that pawn of advantage the engine is showing is material, but most of the time material ends up even with white ahead several tempi in development. That pawn of advantage the engine is showing you is about White's lead in development and positional advantage. You want that to go the opposite way when you gambit.

I did say the Halloween Gambit is unsound and I stand by that assement. 

uttanka

I dont support the Latvian Gambit ofcourse do you know any other ones ?

kleelof

HOw is this good for white?

HilarioFJunior
kleelof wrote:

"The white compensation was roughly based on a terribly bad black bishop and chronically weakened light squares. "I actually have three pieces for the queen, your bishop doesn't play at all", Bosboom quipped. We took turns playing and kept biting the dust because we couldn't tame his light-squared bishop. "

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