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Devastator27

what do you think of hypermodernism,

 

can u guys name all the hypermodern openings you know>?  and what you think is the best one excluding the Kings Indian Defence.


excalibur8
Devastator27 wrote:

what do you think of hypermodernism,

 

can u guys name all the hypermodern openings you know>?  and what you think is the best one excluding the Kings Indian Defence.


First of all, tell me what it is in layman's terms, and then I may be in a better position to give you an answer.


ChrisNeale

Reti
Modern
Pirc

For Hypermodern read "anything that doesn't immediately attempt to occupy or challenge the centre"  With the idea of letting black setup a strong centre then attacking it.  They are a bit more complex than the open games as they usually involve a lot more manouvering and less space so certainly as black with the modern/pirc it's easy to back yourself into a corner.   


Ajfonty
Alehkine Defense is another.
judgeofthenight

Grob's Attack

The best hypermodern opening ever.


grensley
grob is good on an ameteur level, as most players (like me!) are really bad at playing against it.  However, at a higher level Grob gets crushed.
judgeofthenight

ITS NOT GROB!!!!

 Ive had this discussion before.I think it was with Quixotical(i think i misspelled his name-sorry)and we all understood that it was not grob.Its GROB'S ATTACK!!Grob is a german plane manufacturer.


AquaMan

Here's a few more. 

Hippopotamus defense  (b6) - seems kind of wild and risky to me.  Cool looking symmetry though :).   

Colle-Zukertort. 

Grunfeld defense - against 1.d4.  Similar to the Pirc only d5 rather than d6.

Grunfeld might be appealing over the Pirc as I think it's a little less known.  Also has a reputation for being a little sharper, I think.   Also, the stats on chessgames.com show a significantly higher win percentage for black for the Grunfeld vs Pirc, I think.  Of course that's at master level and higher. 

 

I'm too new to seriously recommend one over the other.  I've been recently working with the KIA as white and KID&Pirc as black.   I was looking for a set of modern systems that I could learn fairly quickly to cover everything.  Then get back to spending most of my time studying other parts of the game; endgame in particular right now.  I'm not dissatisfied so far.   

Paul 

 


Absurd

The Hippopotamus Defense is actually a double fianchetto opening, that can be reached out of independent openings such as 1. e4 b6, which is Owen's Defense.

 

I've dabbled very little in Hypermodern stuff, but I'll be giving it a try in the near future. I will say that I like hypermodernism more than postmodernism. 


MrKalukioh
For Hypermodern read "anything that doesn't immediately attempt to occupy or challenge the centre"  

 Chop the  "challenge the centre" part; it would be bad to let an opponent have his way in the center in the opening. A hypermodern opening does challenge an opponents opening just the same, only, it doesn't occupy it "with pawns" at first.


BirdsDaWord

The Queen's Indian and Nimzo-Indian, Bogo-Indian, Old Indian, The Czech, there are a lot of openings that are hypermodern.  The idea is that White may have defended the center from many angles, but suddenly there is a weakness, and Black has retained as much pawn strength as possible from not advancing his pawns far forward.  So now, he will have the opportunity to assault the center, which will become weak, and Black will have advantages later.  Yes, the strategy is risky, yet is very worthwhile if you understand it. Study the games of hypermodern players and look for similarities in their styles.  Try to incorporate some of their ideas into your own.  You will see, with many opponents, they easily become frustrated and make mistakes.  Patience is a key!


Sharukin
For white I like King's Indian Attack and Reti. For black my main defence is the Robatsch or Modern Defence (1. ... g6) which I will happily play against anything white plays.
Nimzowitsch

15 years later...

jamesstack
ChessPawn921 wrote:

15 years later...

I wonder what the record is. Also I wonder if one day we will see a thread revived after 50 years.

jamesstack

Is the Grunfeld considered hypermodern? Black does occupy the center pretty early but most of the time black is just kidding....taking on c4 to allow white to build a big center just so he can attack it. If the Grunfeld is considered hypermodern, what about something like Queens Gambit accepted where black also abandons the center by taking on c4?

Ethan_Brollier
jamesstack wrote:

Is the Grunfeld considered hypermodern? Black does occupy the center pretty early but most of the time black is just kidding....taking on c4 to allow white to build a big center just so he can attack it. If the Grunfeld is considered hypermodern, what about something like Queens Gambit accepted where black also abandons the center by taking on c4?

Grunfeld is hypermodern because no matter what White does, Black will not occupy the center. If White doesn’t play the Grunfeld move orders, 3… d5 isn’t on the table. If White takes, Black retakes. If White ignores, Black takes. If White pushes, Black has full control of the center and great winning chances.

The QGA is different. Black commits the pawn to the center no matter what White’s next move is. If White plays a London, for example, Black’s strongest option is to try to fight for the center from the center with 2… c5, 3… Nc6, 4… Nf6, and 5… Qb6. Something like 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4 g6?! us likely playable, but White will retain an advantage for much longer than if Black abandons any notion of hypermodernism immediately.

jamesstack

The Grunfeld must be the strongest hypermodern opening then.

satan_llama

Yeah #18 but it has a kind of mechanical feeling to it.

maafernan

Hi!

I like hypermodern openings. I don´t play them always but are an important part of my repertoire. I like especially 1.b3 and 1...g6. I wrote posts on my experience with them:

https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/opening-repertoire-the-nimzowitsch-larsen-attack

https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/opening-repertoire-the-modern-defense

Good luck!

Brian-blunderPEN
King’s gambit