I can only play 1 opening if I try to do anything new or creative I will lose

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chrislancaster21

I just started playing Chess a month or so ago but have about 2,500 games in blitz (10 min) now.

I found 1 good strategy that includes the first 6-7 moves. I can win about 50%+ of the time with it. If I try anything new or deviate from these opening moves I have a really low to no chance of winning. 

Is this normal? Do I just keep playing the same game over and over to gain points? Keep playing the same moves with 1 deviation to perfect my game?  

DasBurner

It really just depends on the moves. Can you give us an example so we can guide you towards the right path?

And just in general, an opening repertoire usually requires an opening as white and two as black: One against 1. e4 and 1. d4. Not that it matters at your rating that much; as long as you're applying the general opening principles, you should be just fine until around the 1000 level or even higher

ThrillerFan

Well, you do need to know more than one opening because your opponent has options.  But it is easily possible to have a very limited set of openings and succeed.

 

For example, as Black, you need something for 1.e4, something for 1.d4, and something for Flank Openings.  You have no control over what White plays when you are Black.

 

Now just playing the same moves every time is not good.  You will become complacent and make many mistakes because your opponent played an unusual move.  That said, I would NOT recommend multiple openings.  Rather, learn multiple variations of the opening you choose to play.

 

For example, against 1.e4, I play 1...e6 exclusively now.  However, I may play the Winawer in one game where White plays 3.Nc3, and in the next game, I may play the McCutchen or Classical, but I am always playing the French.

 

However, the French cannot be played against 1.d4.  So you need an opening for that.  I play the King's Indian Defense against 1.d4.  However, you must know what to do against the Classical, the Fianchetto, the Saemisch, etc.  That is White's choice.

 

As White, you don't need to know both 1.e4 and 1.d4, but whichever one you choose, Black has many options.  For example, if you play 1.e4, you need to know the Sicilian, French, Caro-Kann, and 1...e5.  If you play 1.d4, you need to know the QGA, QGD, Slav, Semi-Slav, King's Indian, Nimzo-Indian, Benoni, Dutch, etc.

 

So yes, you do need more than one opening, but you don't need a lot more than that:

 

  • A defense to 1.e4
  • A defense to 1.d4
  • An opening move for White, and how to attach each possible defense against that move.
chrislancaster21
DasBurner wrote:

It really just depends on the moves. Can you give us an example so we can guide you towards the right path?

And just in general, an opening repertoire usually requires an opening as white and two as black: One against 1. e4 and 1. d4. Not that it matters at your rating that much; as long as you're applying the general opening principles, you should be just fine until around the 1000 level or even higher

 

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Stil1

It depends on what your goal is.

If your goal is to simply win as much as possible: stick with what works for you (until it no longer does).

But if your goal is to improve overall, and to learn and grow as a player, then you should try different things, and not worry so much about losing.

When I try new ideas, I expect to suffer a lot of losses along the way. Because that's part of the process.

New ideas always involve a learning curve.

So if you want to learn and experiment, you have to be okay with losses. Accept them as a necessary price to pay, for future improvement and growth.

chrislancaster21
Stil1 wrote:

It depends on what your goal is.

If your goal is to simply win as much as possible: stick with what works for you (until it no longer does).

But if your goal is to improve overall, and to learn and grow as a player, then you should try different things, and not worry so much about losing.

When I try new ideas, I expect to suffer a lot of losses along the way. Because that's part of the process.

New ideas always involve a learning curve.

So if you want to learn and experiment, you have to be okay with losses. Accept them as a necessary price to pay, for future improvement and growth.

 

How much can you learn when the algorithm has you running in circles? If I get on a winning streak the algorithm will put me up against someone much higher in points. So I am constantly going up 100 points just to drop 100 points. 

These algorithms are like a prison designed to never let anyone progress unless they cheat or are exceptional to make progress. 

 

AlphaTeam

learning and practice is how you get better. Like for your level you should focus on tactics, and when it comes to the opening you should focus on the principles of the opening, and not dropping pieces. Looking at some of your recent games you put yourself in bad positions from the opening because you make way to many pawn moves, don't develop your pieces, and don't castle. At least those were the loses that I looked at. The above example of an opening that you put in this thread were you won you at least developed half of your minor pieces, and castled.  

 

Here is a link that explains the opening principles: https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-principles-of-the-opening

tygxc

If something works, then do not change it.

chrislancaster21
AlphaTeam wrote:

learning and practice is how you get better. Like for your level you should focus on tactics, and when it comes to the opening you should focus on the principles of the opening, and not dropping pieces. Looking at some of your recent games you put yourself in bad positions from the opening because you make way to many pawn moves, don't develop your pieces, and don't castle. At least those were the loses that I looked at. The above example of an opening that you put in this thread were you won you at least developed half of your minor pieces, and castled.  

 

Here is a link that explains the opening principles: https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-principles-of-the-opening

 Today's games are not a good example. 

 

I got bored and just started doing random stuff.

1d3_1-0
chrislancaster21 wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

It depends on what your goal is.

If your goal is to simply win as much as possible: stick with what works for you (until it no longer does).

But if your goal is to improve overall, and to learn and grow as a player, then you should try different things, and not worry so much about losing.

When I try new ideas, I expect to suffer a lot of losses along the way. Because that's part of the process.

New ideas always involve a learning curve.

So if you want to learn and experiment, you have to be okay with losses. Accept them as a necessary price to pay, for future improvement and growth.

 

How much can you learn when the algorithm has you running in circles? If I get on a winning streak the algorithm will put me up against someone much higher in points. So I am constantly going up 100 points just to drop 100 points. 

These algorithms are like a prison designed to never let anyone progress unless they cheat or are exceptional to make progress. 

 

Its not the algorithms fault , you just gotta get better and be able to beat people higher rated than you to reach their rating . As simple as that . 

 

On the opening , try new things , some might work , some won't , you cant just keep playing the same thing cause your opponent can deviate at any point and play something which doesn't allow you to play whatever you want to play 

Tobi-01

I assume it works well for you because of the rapid development you can get in these fianchetto systems, where you can develop your whole kingside and castle your king before ~move 6. Show us an example of you playing another opening so we can see how well you follow opening principles, and also work on your tactics, because realistically no matter the opening any 600 could lose just to tactics alone

SteveWanton

I like this little guy at d2/7, cause he is my bodyguard.

king's speech ;-)

 

yetanotheraoc
chrislancaster21 wrote:

I just started playing Chess a month or so ago but have about 2,500 games in blitz (10 min) now.

I found 1 good strategy that includes the first 6-7 moves. I can win about 50%+ of the time with it. If I try anything new or deviate from these opening moves I have a really low to no chance of winning. 

Is this normal? Do I just keep playing the same game over and over to gain points? Keep playing the same moves with 1 deviation to perfect my game?  

It's definitely not normal to play blitz 13 hours per day. Cut back to 6.5 hours of blitz and use the other 6.5 hours to study some openings and you will be a GM shortly.

najdorf96

indeed. You are free, my friend. To be robotic and thus play 1000s of games robotically means nothing in the overall scheme of things. I will not sugarcoat this~you are NOT playing Chess. Just playing with no rhyme or reason. On a treadmill.

najdorf96

indeed. Just stop playing rapid games. Take a breath.

NMRhino
I’d say try to play London system.
catmaster0
chrislancaster21 wrote:
Stil1 wrote:

It depends on what your goal is.

If your goal is to simply win as much as possible: stick with what works for you (until it no longer does).

But if your goal is to improve overall, and to learn and grow as a player, then you should try different things, and not worry so much about losing.

When I try new ideas, I expect to suffer a lot of losses along the way. Because that's part of the process.

New ideas always involve a learning curve.

So if you want to learn and experiment, you have to be okay with losses. Accept them as a necessary price to pay, for future improvement and growth.

 

How much can you learn when the algorithm has you running in circles? If I get on a winning streak the algorithm will put me up against someone much higher in points. So I am constantly going up 100 points just to drop 100 points. 

These algorithms are like a prison designed to never let anyone progress unless they cheat or are exceptional to make progress. 

 

Well if you're winning more you are supposed to face stronger players. That's just normal for rating changes. If you're 500s and beating them more soon you face 600s, etc., but then if that's too difficult they move you back to 500s. It's just keeping you wherever you are meant to be. If you get better said rating goes up and you will consistently face a higher rating. 

catmaster0

Generally the issue doesn't lie in the opening but in doing basic things like not hanging material, taking free material when you can, etc. Perhaps you should show example games where these problems are occurring for you. 

SteveWanton

Learned it the old way.

Played against both grandfathers, and never won a single game.

But I think, this practising helps me today.

Merry Christmas :-)

chrislancaster21
najdorf96 wrote:

indeed. Just stop playing rapid games. Take a breath.

 

this was good advice. I started playing 20-minute games and made progress.