I think I came up with a new trap/opening variation for Scotch game

Guys, I would like to know if you have ever encountered such trap/opening before. It only works against one variation from black, however, I have searched throughout the web relentlessly and haven’t seen anything like this before

Starting as WHITE

The beginning is quite a standard Scotch opening

1. pawn E4 (black responds with E5)
2. Knight F3 (black responds with Queen F6)
3. Pawn sacrifice on D4 (black accepts with his E5 pawn)
4. Knight G5 (typical move for knight sac)(black responds with just anything, but lets assume knight c6 or bishop c5 for standard mellow development)
5. F4 pawn (similar to Kings gambit approach, but here it supports knight and opens diagonals) (the opponent tries to kick the knight by pushing h6 pawn)
6. And then there is a sudden E5
So here is where things start to get interesting, as the Queen must either retreat to the initial square or move to E7 - both are bad, as it opens up paths to either knight sac, which would threaten a fork, follow ups by queen and white bishop, etc. Or Queen h5, which permits H6 pawn from taking (rook would go down) and threatens checkmate.
So the opponent might choose Queen F5

From there the Queen is gone - as D3 bishop traps it completely

Opponent might choose to check the King with his black bishop, but under right circumstances the position is immensely in whites favour.

Let me know whether you have ever seen something like this, as I have played the Scotch opening only, and this is something I feel I came up

Apologies, the formatting broke down, but i hope that the idea is still understandable

Here is the snapshot of the game :

[Event "?"]
[Site "Chess.com iPhone"]
[Date "2024.08.23"]
[Round "?"]
[White "laciskristsgmailcom"]
[Black "Player-935"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[WhiteElo "1028"]
[BlackElo "1034"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Qf6 3. d4 exd4 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. f4 h6 6. e5 Qf5 7. Bd3 Bb4+ 8. c3 Qxd3 9. Qxd3 dxc3 10. Nxc3 Bxc3+ 11. Qxc3 hxg5 12. fxg5 c6 13. O-O Na6 14. Re1 b6 15. e6 dxe6 16. Qxg7 Rh5 17. Qxg8+ Ke7 18. Qg7 Bb7 19. g6 Rf5 20. gxf7 Rxf7 21. Bg5+ Ke8 22. Qg8+ Rf8 23. Rxe6+ Kd7 24. Re7+ Kd6 25. Rd1+ Kc5 26. Be3+ Kb5 27. Qb3+ Nb4 28. Rxb7 c5 29. a4+ Ka6 30. Rbd7 Rfe8 31. Qc4+ Ka5 32. Qb5# {1-0}

This is not the Scotch. The Scotch is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4. Just because White played the same 3 moves doesn't make it a Scotch. Not sure what it is called when Black plays 2...Qf6 (Trash is what it should be called), but to illustrate that just because ONE SIDE plays the same moves doesn't make it the same opening.

Are you going to try to claim these are all the Scotch?

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4

1.e4 e5 w.Nf3 d6 3.d4

None of those are the Scotch. They are the Steinitz Variation of the Petroff, the Open Sicilian, and the Philidor, respectively.

I mean, I came in here expecting something dumb but I never expected 2. ...Qf6 in the Scotch.

Well, as I’ve said, this is a variation for black playing the early Queen, so this trap applies only in this instance. Regarding whether it’s Scotch or not - it stops being it, right after you don’t recapture with the knight, so the first 3 moves apply only

It was never a Scotch game in the first place. The possibility for the opening to be characterized as a Scotch game ended the moment that Black played 2...Qf6. The opening after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Qf6 is called the Greco Defense.

I agree, this might not be entirely characterised as Scotch, but this trap is not rare to occur below 1400 elo tbh. I haven’t played higher elo opps yet, however, it’s just a possible trap/punishment, which might be handy to some new players

This looks like an Alien gambit gone wrong....... and the Alien gambit itself is wrong!

Thank you for the explanation. So yes, apparently it is a trap against McConnel Defense then.

Although Nc6 doesn’t break the sequence in case if the opp still plays Queen right after the pawn sac

Well if you really want to talk about this in a serious way - the problem with your "opening variation" is at no point along the way are the moves that either color is playing actually good. Openings generally consist of good moves, not a bunch of random bad moves. Otherwise practically every game that ever gets played is going to become its own unique "opening".

For example... 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. f4 and 6... Qf5 - all 4 of these are just bad moves. And to avoid your "trap" all the black player must do is move somewhere else with the queen... it is a simple blunder after a bunch of bad moves, it's not an opening variation it's just a game.

For example, this is not a new opening variation it's just a sequence of obscure moves within the Van't Kruij's opening:

Well, as I’ve said it’s not as uncommon as it seems and it is not 1 game from 1000000. It just appears this move sequence is most common in lower elo, which apparently most of player base consists of

The position your showing is the below one correct?

I think your talking about the above position.

Your saying Qe7 is bad because of Qh4 correctly?

I was wondering what do you do against Nf6?

Anything worth playing has already been found/discovered/invented.

Many bad move sequences occur in lower elo but again we don't make a habit of proclaiming random bad move sequences to be their own opening variations since that just isn't useful, when people go to invest time in studying openings they generally want to study good moves, not bad ones. For example, there are much better ways of responding to 2... Qf6.

Your move leads to a significant edge for black if he just plays some simple moves:

Also - 0.025% is 1 in 4000, not 1 in 1000000.

From 2k chess rank perspective, the move 2…Qf6 is very rare move.

Moving your Queen out early is often liability because your opponents can try to develop pieces with an aim to attack it so many will not play the Queen move.

Even if person was to play Queen move, The next hurdle who over come in order to reach the OP position is very unrealistic.

In the above position, White has lost 1 pawn.

The OP is saying White should play Ng5, but Ng5 doesn’t regain pawn in any way.

A lot of strong players would recapture the d4 pawn so they not down 1 pawn.

I think the only way this line might be played is if the OP is playing the White side.