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In queens gambit is it ok to move bishop before pawn
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Hey snudoo that was nice but usually black plays kf6 first and then takes the gambit. Is my method ok then? Thanks
good question. I'm curious to know why, but I don't play this opening so will defer to others!
Yes nf6, sorry i don't know notation much. Can i play queens gambit as black, what is it called then. Also why don't you play this opening?
Aug 18, 2020
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SNUDOO wrote:
And it's also too mainstream
That's one reason I play it - I know a lot of theory for it.
Also. 1. d4 2. Bf4 is a fine opening. That is the accelerated London move order, but it isn't in repertoire with the Queen's Gambit; especially since 2...c5 or 3...c5 will make the White c4 push silly.
samchessman123 wrote:
Yes nf6, sorry i don't know notation much. Can i play queens gambit as black, what is it called then. Also why don't you play this opening?
My (limited) understanding is technically no, you can't, because White will have gotten in another move by then that you likely have to respond to. So even if the game started 1 d4 d5 and you played 2 ...c5 as your second move it won't be strictly the mirror position since White has some other 2nd move in there.
On the other hand I think there are scenarios in which you could still play these moves as Black and arrive in similar positions? Like if White played a slow move like 2 ...h3 for some reason you could play 2 ...c5 and then if 3 dxc5 you could play 3 ...e6 and develop similarly to how White plays in Queen's Gambit. Not sure what this is called though since it's less common.
Aug 21, 2020
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After dxc4 always push e3 to see if black will fall for trap. If black protects their pawn with b5 push a4. If he protects b pawn with c6 say thank you and go Qf3 and win a piece. People fall for this a lot especially in blitz. If they don’t do this...continue development and prepare to push e4. Don’t push e4 at first cuz that blocks your queen attack. Its a slight waste of tempo but works more than you might think...so it’s worth a shot against lower rated players.
Aug 21, 2020
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jtmccann15 wrote:
After dxc4 always push e3 to see if black will fall for trap. If black protects their pawn with b5 push a4. If he protects b pawn with c6 say thank you and go Qf3 and win a piece. People fall for this a lot especially in blitz. If they don’t do this...continue development and prepare to push e4. Don’t push e4 at first cuz that blocks your queen attack. Its a slight waste of tempo but works more than you might think...so it’s worth a shot against lower rated players.
e4 also gets the pawn back... if it doesn't black loses.
Aug 21, 2020
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SNUDOO wrote:
jtmccann15 wrote:
After dxc4 always push e3 to see if black will fall for trap. If black protects their pawn with b5 push a4. If he protects b pawn with c6 say thank you and go Qf3 and win a piece. People fall for this a lot especially in blitz. If they don’t do this...continue development and prepare to push e4. Don’t push e4 at first cuz that blocks your queen attack. Its a slight waste of tempo but works more than you might think...so it’s worth a shot against lower rated players.
e4 also gets the pawn back... if it doesn't black loses.
+1 I prefer the "Central Variation" of the Queen's Gambit with e4 rather than e3 (Normal Variation). The e4 lines take a bit more opening theory knowledge and the Qf3 trap mentioned is not possible: however, I enjoy the often times sharper positions that the e4 lines bring. 
e3 is a fine move of course as well, but we should be careful about mentioning "always" because few things are this absolute and this is certainly true for chess.
Aug 21, 2020
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Not sure if there’s a name for this but yeah I usually “waste” a tempo to see if black goes for this
Aug 21, 2020
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Disclaimer: Against a strong player that I am certain will not fall for this I push E4
Aug 21, 2020
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jtmccann15 wrote:
Not sure if there’s a name for this but yeah I usually “waste” a tempo to see if black goes for this
It is a well-known book trap, but I will likely play e4 regardless of rating. It is just opening preference, but I wouldn't change openings purely based on the opponent rating alone. We must assume they will find the best moves; this also prevents you from under-estimating them and getting an inferior position for ego alone.
Make the chess hustlers work for it! 
Hey thanks for all the replies. They have all been very helpful. Sorry if I could not respond individually, that Queen trap is nice I know about it, but my question is my bishop is stuck if he doesn't respond do it.
1. If we go for normal variation of QG which is pawn e3, can anyone show me how to develop the bishop in queenside successfully after that. I always pay dearly with this bishop getting stuck in this opening.
@IMpfren: Thanks so much. This is what I was after, to stop me from making bad habits as I'm really new to opening. So is it better to discard bf4 permanently and play more like the game you posted.
Hey everyone,
I was practising queens gambit and my biggest problem is that i find it difficult getting one of my bishops stuck with this opening. So i prefer to move my bishop to f4 before doing the pawn move. Chess.com analysis gives me a question mark for this is this bad technique, does this give the opposition the chance to hold on to the extra pawn? I'm asking this early to prevent bad habits from forming. For example i like to do bishop f4 like this. Thanks