I'm not actually 1462 btw :) Don't really play turn based because I always forget about games. So far its 7...Nfd7 8.exd6 cxd4 9.dxe7 Qxe7 10.0-0 Nc6 11.Nf4 Nc5 12.Na3 Be6 13.Re1 Rad8.
In Search of a Dutch Defense Player!
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Apr 6, 2016
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#23
kingofshedinjas wrote:
Nobody plays the Dutch.
At least not at master level
Not true. Mikhail Botvinnik, Nigel Short, Simen Agdestein, Artur Yusupov and Sergei Dolmatov all had the Dutch Defence in their repertoire. Magnus Carlsen crushed Caruana with a Stonewall Dutch last year and even Vladimir Kramnik has used it from time to time as a surprise weapon.
As I said above, see Wojtaszek - Williams for proof that the Dutch can be used to crush even Supergrandmasters.
Apr 6, 2016
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#25
In the game, 7.d5 should be played instead of e5, which is a move from the game Kaminski, Adam vs. Stroebel, Jan, 1 - 0, Canarias en Red prel 3rd, 5th May 2004, so pretty old. Chess.com computer analysis of the game with 7.d5 gives White as being in advantage: 7. d5 Na6 8. O-O Nb4 9. Nbc3 Nxd3 10. Qxd3 b6
Well, this did kind of go off topic, but that's fine. This became so much more amusing! Dghg, I'll send some challenges (casual) and if anyone else is interested feel free to challenge or message me. Thanks for your comment Ghostliner, I'll definitely have to look at some of those players' games.
jengaias wrote:
Here is what White played.
That ladies and gentlemen is the line that refutes King's Indian defense.
7... dxe5 8. dxe5 Ne8 and Black is much better.
Thank you AntonioAg for trying to get this back on topic in your unique way :)....Dutch player, or anti-dutch players welcomed!
If anyone has any information on the anti-dutch systems such as 2...e4 (Staunton Gambit), 2...h3, or 2...Bg5, or any other system I am not aware of your time would be greatly appreciated
Apr 6, 2016
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#31
I, too, would recommend the book, "The Diamond Dutch," by Viktor Moskalenko. I don't really play the Dutch much anymore, but found Moskalenko's move, 2. Bg5! to be tough on Dutch players. It drove me crazy when I played the Dutch. If you're going to play the Dutch, you need to learn how to play against the Staunton Gambit, which is covered in the Diamond Dutch. Simon Williams often plays the Dutch and has his own book out on the opening. He has a number of videos on the Dutch if you're a premium member.
I'll put those books on my wish list. I've never had a chess book before, so I don't really know how helpful it will be, but I've seen Simon Williams explaining a little of the Dutch before and it was helpful! The Staunton Gambit really doesn't scare me, although I don't know how to play against, so I probably should be a little scared :)
I played Simon Williams in the Dutch OTB last week (as white). I lost, but it was quite instructive (http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp?id=436550.404454.17941504.29164). I also played IM Richard Bates in the Staunton as black and held a draw, but I didn't really know what I was doing. Against the Staunton I now think that 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nc6! is the best line, which is covered by Williams' "The Killer Dutch".
Apr 7, 2016
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#34
This topic made me laugh especially the statement of "the Kings Indian is totally defeatable". The Kings Indian is still and will still be one of the strongest weapons for black against d4. It creates a lot of opportunities for black and more often black can win the initiative from white. According to the statistics of black winning percentage, the Kings Indian ranks very high.
Ghostliner wrote:
kingofshedinjas wrote:
Nobody plays the Dutch.
At least not at master level
Not true. Mikhail Botvinnik, Nigel Short, Simen Agdestein, Artur Yusupov and Sergei Dolmatov all had the Dutch Defence in their repertoire. Magnus Carlsen crushed Caruana with a Stonewall Dutch last year and even Vladimir Kramnik has used it from time to time as a surprise weapon.
Don't forget Nakamura.
Apr 7, 2016
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#36
imsighked2 wrote:
I, too, would recommend the book, "The Diamond Dutch," by Viktor Moskalenko. I don't really play the Dutch much anymore, but found Moskalenko's move, 2. Bg5! to be tough on Dutch players. It drove me crazy when I played the Dutch. If you're going to play the Dutch, you need to learn how to play against the Staunton Gambit, which is covered in the Diamond Dutch. Simon Williams often plays the Dutch and has his own book out on the opening. He has a number of videos on the Dutch if you're a premium member.
I just have a turn-based game (check-it out) with 2.Bg5 and I am totally winning.
Antonio, If so many here tell you that this defense is played 1. from the 18th century and 2. by great GMs like Carlsen, Kramnik, Nakamura, Yusupov, Short etc., your attitude not to accept it as classical is just infantile, no offense. Maybe this classic 
game will change your feelings:
Apr 7, 2016
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#38
Saint Germain, you noticed Naydorf play 3...e6 to prevent 4.d5. So in your variation, how do you continue after 4.d5?
I duel between Ne5 ( similar to some Staunton lines) and Na5.
I think black is already significantly better :)