Is Colle any good?

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philtheforce

My opening as White tends to be "the Colle". Some people like it others hate it, especially Meadows (a friend of mine on this site).

 

What does everyone think?

philtheforce

the title should read "is the colle any good?"

Golbat

It's a solid opening system with no glaring weaknesses. Knowledge of the Semi-Slav may be helpful in certain situations.

tonymtbird

i reviewed some of your games as white and this opening seems to be fine doing for you.  Even in your game against nightnight you did well until you traded knights on move twelve. I didn't put the position in my computer but this move gave your opponent even more space and complete (and dangerous)control over d file which allowed him to invade your position and destroy it...so there must have been a better plan.  

Also was trading the b pawn for the c pawn normal for the colle?

philtheforce

I'm not sure. I sort of play the semi-Colle in that at about move ten or eleven i just make it up as I go along, lol! As you are meant to bring the queen to h3 and then move it up and put the rook behind it? I really should read up on more. I just look the opening ten or eleven moves as it can give white some space and time to attack. However, speak to Meadows who thinks the Colle is rubbish!

SisyphusOfChess

I believe black should get easy equality with accurate play, but the Colle is a sound and solid system.

At the amateur level it is probably as good as anything else.

philtheforce

Yeah, but now i am starting to play better players i am wondering whether the opening is going to help me if i play it properly?

nuclearturkey
philtheforce wrote:

I'm not sure. I sort of play the semi-Colle in that at about move ten or eleven i just make it up as I go along, lol! As you are meant to bring the queen to h3 and then move it up and put the rook behind it? I really should read up on more. I just look the opening ten or eleven moves as it can give white some space and time to attack. However, speak to Meadows who thinks the Colle is rubbish!


If you're focusing only on memorizing the variations, but not learning the usual plans and ideas than you're not taking advantage of one of the main reasons why most players below Master level play the Colle in the 1st place: not to go for the theoretically maximum possible advantage, but to almost guarantee that they'll know the typical plans and ideas much better than their opponents (if they go about it in the right way of course!). I recommend you get David Rudel's book "The Colle-Zukertort Revolutionized" even if you don't actually play the Zukertort variation.. 

CPawn

Colle was a very good player.  Not quite world champion caliber, but a very good player none the less.

nuclearturkey
philtheforce wrote:

Yeah, but now i am starting to play better players i am wondering whether the opening is going to help me if i play it properly?


There's no reason why it won't.

tineslabbinck

I think the Queen's Gambit is better for White than the Colle. Why would you play c3 if you can as well play c4? It's also a waste of tempo to play e3 in preparation of e4. I think White gives the advantage of the first move.

Flier

I've played the colle for about 2 years, and i've had some good results vs B players, and decent results vs A players. 

Biggest plus is that it's solid and rather easy to learn (looking through some games and perhaps reading a book about it should give you good ideas on where your chances are). It guarantees decent development and some threats and tricks in the (early) middlegame.

Biggest minus is that you won't get any advantage vs good players and nothing more than several draws. Also the play get's boring after a while, it's not a very 'rich' system in my opinion, thats the main reason why i don't play it anymore.

SisyphusOfChess
philtheforce wrote:

Yeah, but now i am starting to play better players i am wondering whether the opening is going to help me if i play it properly?


Help you how? To win games? Learn chess?

If you're asking if there is room to grow playing this system, I'd say certainly.

chessoholicalien

I used to play it but found a savvy opponent could easily break up my formation with a couple of judicious pawn moves/captures

goldendog

A few posters alluded to the Colle's simplicity. If it has a weakness I guess that is it.

There are not a myriad of ways to play the Colle (compared to other openings, like QG e.g.) and against an opponent who is used to seeing it, especially from the same opponent, there are no surprises.

peperoniebabie

The thing to understand with the Colle is that it's solid and balanced, but you can expect zero advantage from the opening if Black plays properly. It's not ambitious enough to challenge for an advantage.

DrawMaster

The Zukertort variation (with b3 and fianchetto) of the Colle is richer in ideas and probably gives White slightly more edge than the Koltanowski variation (with c3). It has grown in popularity in recent years. It has the advantage of not blocking in the Queen's bishop early on.

The Colle has appeal to players who are worried about surviving the opening.

FusionMK

This is the Colle System played by me against one of my opponents (pity I did not know his name).  As you can see, I have abandoned e4 purely for the reason my opponent castles queenside, and I had eaten my opponents bishop.  This killed my usage of the Colle.  So I would say that Queens Gambit is better.
nuclearturkey
FusionMK wrote:

This is the Colle System played by me against one of my opponents (pity I did not know his name).  As you can see, I have abandoned e4 purely for the reason my opponent castles queenside, and I had eaten my opponents bishop.  This killed my usage of the Colle.  So I would say that Queens Gambit is better.

It's well known that castling Q-Side in Queen's Pawn games is almost always a bad idea.

philtheforce
Flier wrote:

I've played the colle for about 2 years, and i've had some good results vs B players, and decent results vs A players. 

Biggest plus is that it's solid and rather easy to learn (looking through some games and perhaps reading a book about it should give you good ideas on where your chances are). It guarantees decent development and some threats and tricks in the (early) middlegame.

Biggest minus is that you won't get any advantage vs good players and nothing more than several draws. Also the play get's boring after a while, it's not a very 'rich' system in my opinion, thats the main reason why i don't play it anymore.


 Yes I have started to find it boring  .... but in my last congress I got a win and a draw with it against stronger players .... but my problem is i am a very passive player and perhaps the Colle doesn't suit my style of play?