Is Stonewall a great defense?

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nylac

It is the only opening I have ever beat my dad with, I used sicillian (classic,najdorf,dragon) , e4, Scandinavian, I cannot even remember all the ones I used but i only beat him once with stonewall. he moved e4 and g3 

notmtwain
nylac wrote:

It is the only opening I have ever beat my dad with, I used sicillian (classic,najdorf,dragon) , e4, Scandinavian, I cannot even remember all the ones I used but i only beat him once with stonewall. he moved e4 and g3 

It's very popular among club players. If it helped you beat your dad, what more could you want?

nylac
notmtwain wrote:
nylac wrote:

It is the only opening I have ever beat my dad with, I used sicillian (classic,najdorf,dragon) , e4, Scandinavian, I cannot even remember all the ones I used but i only beat him once with stonewall. he moved e4 and g3 

It's very popular among club players. If it helped you beat your dad, what more could you want?

I want to beat him in different ways,I just want to become the type of player he was over me.

AceOfShades

At least your Dad is halfway decent. Mine sucks- I can't even practice with him.

joeman0

it's great against lower rated players because they have no clue what to do against it.  if you just start out playing chess, you can play some kind of stonewall attack as white and stonewall defense as black.  that way, you don't have to waste a lot of time studying openings but focus on tactics and middle game.

Warbringer33

Wow, this thread took on awfully somber tone quickly.

Radiovitch

use the hippo defense and wait

IrfanHakimi_Nadhrah

It is a good type of opening that suits. player who want playing with tactical meels despite his positional. style... Carlsen had used it againt Caruana in 2014...

IrfanHakimi_Nadhrah

It is a good type of opening that suits. player who want playing with tactical meels despite his positional. style... Carlsen had used it againt Caruana in 2014...

nylac
joeman0 wrote:

it's great against lower rated players because they have no clue what to do against it.  if you just start out playing chess, you can play some kind of stonewall attack as white and stonewall defense as black.  that way, you don't have to waste a lot of time studying openings but focus on tactics and middle game.

How do i play as black? all beginners go english or kings pawn 

nylac

He's starting to beat my stonewall (ever since I beat him he won't let me take my moves back after taking my hands off the pieces) with a stonewall himself, now I need to know how to beat fire with fire 

notmtwain
nylac wrote:

He's starting to beat my stonewall (ever since I beat him he won't let me take my moves back after taking my hands off the pieces) with a stonewall himself, now I need to know how to beat fire with fire 

No takebacks!!?  Wow, that is a serious milestone.

nylac
notmtwain wrote:
nylac wrote:

He's starting to beat my stonewall (ever since I beat him he won't let me take my moves back after taking my hands off the pieces) with a stonewall himself, now I need to know how to beat fire with fire 

No takebacks!!?  Wow, that is a serious milestone.

sarcasm? if you would see my other account, you would understand i have like a 370-400 rating im still a noob at chess 

Polar_Bear

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

nylac
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

ThrillerFan
nylac wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

Well, first off, you list 1.e4 and the Stonewall Defense.

There is no Stonewall Defense to 1.e4.

The Dutch Defense features the Stonewall Variation (a.k.a. The Stonewall Dutch), but that is a defense to 1.d4.

As for the Stonewall Dutch, Black should only play it if g3 has been played, or some other combination of moves that prevents White from getting in both Bd3 and Bf4 (i.e. e3 with the Bishop still on c1).

If White can still play Bf4, e3, and Bd3, like after 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, then 4...d5?? is a huge error.  Also, if White can still play Nh3 instead of Nf3, the Stonewall is bad.

After say, 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, Black should play in Nimzo-Indian fashion with 4...Bb4, while if instead, 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.c4, Black should play 4...c6 as 4...d5 5.Nh3! is strong for White.  Here, with 4...c6, Black can answer 5.Nf3 with 5...d5 and 5.Nh3 with 5...d6!!  (Going into a Classical Dutch).

Where the stonewall is appropriate is after something like 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3, now 4...d5!

nylac
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

Well, first off, you list 1.e4 and the Stonewall Defense.

There is no Stonewall Defense to 1.e4.

The Dutch Defense features the Stonewall Variation (a.k.a. The Stonewall Dutch), but that is a defense to 1.d4.

As for the Stonewall Dutch, Black should only play it if g3 has been played, or some other combination of moves that prevents White from getting in both Bd3 and Bf4 (i.e. e3 with the Bishop still on c1).

If White can still play Bf4, e3, and Bd3, like after 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, then 4...d5?? is a huge error.  Also, if White can still play Nh3 instead of Nf3, the Stonewall is bad.

After say, 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, Black should play in Nimzo-Indian fashion with 4...Bb4, while if instead, 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.c4, Black should play 4...c6 as 4...d5 5.Nh3! is strong for White.  Here, with 4...c6, Black can answer 5.Nf3 with 5...d5 and 5.Nh3 with 5...d6!!  (Going into a Classical Dutch).

Where the stonewall is appropriate is after something like 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3, now 4...d5!

dad plays e4 and g3, what he usually does 

ThrillerFan
nylac wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

Well, first off, you list 1.e4 and the Stonewall Defense.

There is no Stonewall Defense to 1.e4.

The Dutch Defense features the Stonewall Variation (a.k.a. The Stonewall Dutch), but that is a defense to 1.d4.

As for the Stonewall Dutch, Black should only play it if g3 has been played, or some other combination of moves that prevents White from getting in both Bd3 and Bf4 (i.e. e3 with the Bishop still on c1).

If White can still play Bf4, e3, and Bd3, like after 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, then 4...d5?? is a huge error.  Also, if White can still play Nh3 instead of Nf3, the Stonewall is bad.

After say, 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, Black should play in Nimzo-Indian fashion with 4...Bb4, while if instead, 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.c4, Black should play 4...c6 as 4...d5 5.Nh3! is strong for White.  Here, with 4...c6, Black can answer 5.Nf3 with 5...d5 and 5.Nh3 with 5...d6!!  (Going into a Classical Dutch).

Where the stonewall is appropriate is after something like 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3, now 4...d5!

dad plays e4 and g3, what he usually does 

Well then, the forum topic header is useless as there is no Stonewall against 1.e4.

nylac
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

Well, first off, you list 1.e4 and the Stonewall Defense.

There is no Stonewall Defense to 1.e4.

The Dutch Defense features the Stonewall Variation (a.k.a. The Stonewall Dutch), but that is a defense to 1.d4.

As for the Stonewall Dutch, Black should only play it if g3 has been played, or some other combination of moves that prevents White from getting in both Bd3 and Bf4 (i.e. e3 with the Bishop still on c1).

If White can still play Bf4, e3, and Bd3, like after 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, then 4...d5?? is a huge error.  Also, if White can still play Nh3 instead of Nf3, the Stonewall is bad.

After say, 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, Black should play in Nimzo-Indian fashion with 4...Bb4, while if instead, 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.c4, Black should play 4...c6 as 4...d5 5.Nh3! is strong for White.  Here, with 4...c6, Black can answer 5.Nf3 with 5...d5 and 5.Nh3 with 5...d6!!  (Going into a Classical Dutch).

Where the stonewall is appropriate is after something like 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3, now 4...d5!

dad plays e4 and g3, what he usually does 

Well then, the forum topic header is useless as there is no Stonewall against 1.e4.

well can I at least get a solid defense?

ThrillerFan
nylac wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
nylac wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Stonewall doesn't promise much. As black, you get slightly worse position without counterplay if white knows to play against. As white, black can equalize easily by mirroring Stonewall structure, or he can try for more by exploring weak point e4 and controlling e5 with pawn d6.

what defense would you prefer? 

Well, first off, you list 1.e4 and the Stonewall Defense.

There is no Stonewall Defense to 1.e4.

The Dutch Defense features the Stonewall Variation (a.k.a. The Stonewall Dutch), but that is a defense to 1.d4.

As for the Stonewall Dutch, Black should only play it if g3 has been played, or some other combination of moves that prevents White from getting in both Bd3 and Bf4 (i.e. e3 with the Bishop still on c1).

If White can still play Bf4, e3, and Bd3, like after 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, then 4...d5?? is a huge error.  Also, if White can still play Nh3 instead of Nf3, the Stonewall is bad.

After say, 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 e6 4.Nf3, Black should play in Nimzo-Indian fashion with 4...Bb4, while if instead, 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.c4, Black should play 4...c6 as 4...d5 5.Nh3! is strong for White.  Here, with 4...c6, Black can answer 5.Nf3 with 5...d5 and 5.Nh3 with 5...d6!!  (Going into a Classical Dutch).

Where the stonewall is appropriate is after something like 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e6 4.Nf3, now 4...d5!

dad plays e4 and g3, what he usually does 

Well then, the forum topic header is useless as there is no Stonewall against 1.e4.

well can I at least get a solid defense?

Probably your best bet is 1...e5, especially if you know he always plays 2.g3.  1.e4 e5 2.g3 serves no purpose at all.  What are you doing?  Fianchettoing your Bishop so it can bite on granite that resides on e4?  It also weakens squares like c4.

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