Is the Bongcloud Solid?

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bjazz

I just sent a challenge to Conquistador as a reply to his wish to play the bongcloud, only to be shocked upon realizing that you cannot define bongcloud opening as the starting position. I did some further research and was appalled to discover that the bongcloud is not to be found from ECO or MCO! Thereafter I sent a letter, wrapped around a trout, to Mr. Karpov declaring, that if he wishes my vote, he had better make it known to FIDE that this sort of discrimination of perfectly playable and popular openings cannot continue, and will not be tolerated among professional and amateur players alike. Should Mr. Karpov choose to disregard my request, I will have no choise but to start a petition within the chess community, to boicot FIDE and resurrect the good old PCA. This petition will thereafter be stuffed inside a horse's mouth and sent as a gift to Anatoly, hoping that he indeed takes a peek inside.

Erik: Same destiny awaits you, should you not add the Bongcloud to your specified starting positions.

[disclaimer: above post is not to be taken as a serious threat by the staff.]

theoreticalboy

Can we have the Bongcloud in the opening database, though?  It would be a great chess.com-specific joke, really put the site on the proverbial map...

bjazz
tonydal wrote:
ivandh wrote:

Yeah dueds, its not about winning or loseing, its about getting your king to the other side man.


OK, this has got to be on a T-shirt...


I almost fell off my seat :D

Hermes3
ivandh wrote:

Yeah dueds, its not about winning or loseing, its about getting your king to the other side man.


Jim Morison was a very good chess player, and also a fan of this opening. He even wrote a famous song about it:

We chased our winnings here 

Dug our draws there 

But can you still recall 

The time we lost 

Everybody loves this opening

It gets high

Break on through to the other side 

Break on through

Bring king through....

Yeah! 
C'mon, yeah! 

kevinjin

Twobit
In Ned Green' s fascinating book, "The Demons' Code" the lead investigator of the mysterious secret society of Tempini found this sequence that succeded refuting the soundness of Bongcloud opening. "The fianchetto'd king cast his devastating stare toward the center. Roben Passant realized that any further resistance was in vain..."
TheGrobe

Have you ever known a cloud to be solid?

PrawnEatsPrawn

Rather than trying to smash through the centre, here's a positional approach based on the dark squared weaknesses that White incurs by playing the Fortress Variation:

 

trigs

Is the Bongcloud Solid?

as solid as a puff of smoke.

Flamma_Aquila

The name should tell you all you need to know.

The Bongcloud's only real value is if you want to embarrass a realllllly weak player.

pavanmss

stop posting rubbish

bongcloud is the one of the strongest openings

watch the game in this link

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=11

fischer after some decades of research played this opening on icc defeating lot of gm's

LOL

Flamma_Aquila
pavanmss wrote:

stop posting rubbish

bongcloud is the one of the strongest openings

watch the game in this link

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=11

fischer after some decades of research played this opening on icc defeating lot of gm's

LOL


Yes, and it is well known that at the end of his career, Fischer was a paragon of sanity and sound judgement. Tongue out

pavanmss
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pavanmss

i think fischer behaved that way in his later years because he was so angry by the fact that had he discovered the strength of those openings much earlier he would have attained much better results in his chess career.he called kasparov as a piece of garbage because he could not find that opening even with the help of the best computers.finally fischer himself had shown this opening to the world.

IWishIWasSmart

If black decides to develop both of his Knights in his first two moves, then it is critical that you take note of some key concepts BEFORE playing the Bongcloud-Bogart variation. Firstly, the Queen is not all that important in this variation and you shouldn't hesitate in letting her go for the sake of gaining tempo. The key here is getting your king to the center of the board asap, and then developing your queenside pawns into a "Pawn-Fort" in the center where your King can hold out as a "gate-keeper" until we can muster a second drive deep into black's rear. Focus on a pawn-fort (minimum 3 pawns) that points towards a7, this is where we want to focus our attack, by flanking, and letting our king control the d-file. Finally, use any left-over minor pieces to keep that f5 square vacant! (for reasons that will be evident) And for Pete's sake!... Protect that h2 pawn! The last thing we need is black flanking you! You must also remember to ALWAYS promote your pawns to knights to confound black's gameplan. This variation is not for the novice...

So, to summarize: (1) Blitz your king to the center while developing your queenside pawns. (2) Use your minor pieces as fodder to developing your pawn-fort and let your king act as the gate-keeper to the d-file. (3)With your pawn-fort developed, use left-over minor pieces to keep f5 vacant, and protect h2. (4) Flank black by attacking a7.  (5) Let your queen be captured to gain tempo, especially early in the game where getting your king out is so critical! (5) And finally, mess with your opponent's mind by always promoting to knights!
devincavendish
IWishIWasSmart wrote:

If black decides to develop both of his Knights in his first two moves, then it is critical that you take note of some key concepts BEFORE playing the Bongcloud-Bogart variation. Firstly, the Queen is not all that important in this variation and you shouldn't hesitate in letting her go for the sake of gaining tempo. The key here is getting your king to the center of the board asap, and then developing your queenside pawns into a "Pawn-Fort" in the center where your King can hold out as a "gate-keeper" until we can muster a second drive deep into black's rear. Focus on a pawn-fort (minimum 3 pawns) that points towards a7, this is where we want to focus our attack, by flanking, and letting our king control the d-file. Finally, use any left-over minor pieces to keep that f5 square vacant! (for reasons that will be evident) And for Pete's sake!... Protect that h2 pawn! The last thing we need is black flanking you! You must also remember to ALWAYS promote your pawns to knights to confound black's gameplan. This variation is not for the novice...

So, to summarize: (1) Blitz your king to the center while developing your queenside pawns. (2) Use your minor pieces as fodder to developing your pawn-fort and let your king act as the gate-keeper to the d-file. (3)With your pawn-fort developed, use left-over minor pieces to keep f5 vacant, and protect h2. (4) Flank black by attacking a7.  (5) Let your queen be captured to gain tempo, especially early in the game where getting your king out is so critical! (5) And finally, mess with your opponent's mind by always promoting to knights!

Years later, we look back and see the wisdom of our ancestors

Awesomedude2053

I promoted my pawn to a knight!

Q-Bert4242
Very solid opening, although I haven’t played it much, I have has a few successes with the Barnes 2g4 or 2…g5 after f3 or f6