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at the GM level the grunfeld scores higher than the KID.
Peter Svidler is the top player. you played in a neo grunfeld line which black should have put the question to you with Bg7 first to make you show your intentions
Grunfeld anything but refuted. Super GMs seem to love it. It gets played a lot at the highest level.
Why not 18.Nxe5
If you're following the Corus 2010 tournament (I sure am!), then there are plenty of Grunfelds, if I recall correctly, at the super GM level. It certainly scores well, though your personal success against it is certainly something to be celebrated! As an example, I certainly get good positions against the Sicilian Defense; it is by no means refuted, and is loved by countless players around the world.
My friend is playing in a Grunfeld themed tournament soon, so he'll be put to the test!
Cutebold wrote:
If you're following the Corus 2010 tournament (I sure am!), then there are plenty of Grunfelds, if I recall correctly, at the super GM level. It certainly scores well, though your personal success against it is certainly something to be celebrated! As an example, I certainly get good positions against the Sicilian Defense; it is by no means refuted, and is loved by countless players around the world.
My friend is playing in a Grunfeld themed tournament soon, so he'll be put to the test!
yeah there have been some nice grunfelds games at corus, I wish more players use the Smyslov Russian system line (outdated but fun)
I joined the tournament as well. hopeing to get to 1800 soon so I can compete in the stronger field. probably wont win just because Im not used to playing the white side
Most Super GM's agree that the Gruenfeld is stronger than the KID, and it was a favourite of Garry Kasparov. Every single world champion since Alekhine has championed it at one time or another. Also I'd like to point out that you're opponent didn't really play the Gruenfeld. The Gruenfeld is the position reached after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5; note that the Knight has to be on c3, and not on f3. You're opponent should have just fianchettoed his dark squared bishop, since you were not threatening to push the pawn to e4.
thechessvids wrote:
Most Super GM's agree that the Gruenfeld is stronger than the KID, and it was a favourite of Garry Kasparov. Every single world champion since Alekhine has championed it at one time or another. Also I'd like to point out that you're opponent didn't really play the Gruenfeld. The Gruenfeld is the position reached after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5; note that the Knight has to be on c3, and not on f3. You're opponent should have just fianchettoed his dark squared bishop, since you were not threatening to push the pawn to e4.
yep, 3...Bg7 really needs to be done first. checking out a GM db only 12 games does a GM try ...d5, whereas nearly 10 thousand games they force white to declare intentions with ...Bg7, a much stronger move
maulmorphy wrote:
at the GM level the grunfeld scores higher than the KID.
Peter Svidler is the top player. you played in a neo grunfeld line which black should have put the question to you with Bg7 first to make you show your intentions
Can you show a diagram of what your talking about please? Also can anybody post a link to the tournment you guys our talking about. JG2y I didn't play Nxe5 because I missed that move
maulmorphy wrote:
Well said maul, except this variation is even better for black since the knight would be better placed on e2 than on f3.
what's the name of this variation?
opticnerve wrote:
what's the name of this variation?
That is called the early Russian variation. Play usually continues dxc4 Qxc4 where black should not be worried because the Queen is misplaced on c4.
thechessvids wrote:
maulmorphy wrote:
Well said maul, except this variation is even better for black since the knight would be better placed on e2 than on f3.
I disagree; I think Ne2 and Nf3 are about equal in strength. Each has its pro's and cons.
The exchange variation with Nf3 is also called the 'modern exchange variation', and it became popular after Kasparov played it (as white). To this day many (top) GMs still have it in their repertoire.
Ne2 used to be thought to be the best, but I think Nf3 (well, specifically with the Rb1 move) is the favorite these days (and to me as well). White is not as crazy about preventing the ...Bg4 pin and playing f4 anymore (it usually leaves his center too weak to black's constant assault of it) and instead picks a solid positional plan of defending his center and dealing with ...Bg4 with Rb1. That piece ties black down a bit while the others help to defend the center and eventually advance to become even stronger in the center, but it must be done with care.
as a black player I would rather face Ne2 and Nf3
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The grunfeld is solid, though your opponent really had no clue of what he was doing. The ...d5 push should only be made if white has played Nc3.
Here's a link for the chess.com Gruenfeld tournament - join this and you'll get put into the correct tournament when it begins in 17 hours;
http://www.chess.com/tournament/6th-chesscom-thematic-tournament---gruenfeld-1601-1800
Playing Russian system as white is like opening Pandora's box, there are I beleive over 6 variations that black can respond with, and all requiring deep knowledge of the position and intense preperation.
Chess_Enigma wrote:
Playing Russian system as white is like opening Pandora's box, there are I beleive over 6 variations that black can respond with, and all requiring deep knowledge of the position and intense preperation.
yep, I play the old Smyslov line, which has a lot of theory but is only the 4th most common... so you really have to know your stuff
opening refuted? Everytime I face it, I always seem to get a good solid postion with a advangtage. Does anybody play the grunfield who has success with it. Does any grandmasters play this opening? Below is a game I played probably 15 minutes ago please comment and rate please.