Italian Game opening advice seeked

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ellisgambit

in response to the Italian Game opening that I've come to like to play over the last couple of weeks:

ellisgambit

sorry for the multiple threads that I just opened as I'm writing this from my phone and the app isn't working correctly. I was seeking advice after I play bishop to c4. my opponent always responds with h6 to respond to knight to g5. does anyone have a good recommendation for the following move as if I'm correct h6 is not one of the main lines.

ellisgambit

and can an administrator please delete my other threads because I do not have the ability to do it from the app and I'm not home.

ellisgambit

I understand it's a loss for black, but I'm playing white and I'm surely not gonna tell the person that I play on an everyday basis that's not the best move ;-) What I'm asking is what would be a GREAT response to capitalize on the weak h3.? He plays h3 consistently to my bishop to c5.

ellisgambit

ok I misunderstood the second part of your reply. d4 you think would answer best? any reasons? I've been playing chess off and on my whole life and consider myself a decent player with a lot of room for improvements and advice.

ellisgambit

I can't post a diagram from my phone. perhaps when I get home I'll post what I'm talking about (sorry working on the notation, never did really learn it growing up and playing, was just having too much fun playing the game)

ellisgambit
Ok, now I can type and post diagrams at ease since I'm home.  My friend and I played our routine daily game today, and I played the Italian Game opening, and he responded different today than he normally has been when I play this opening.  Instead of 4.h7 he played 4.Nf5

Also, instead of Castling would have it been wiser of me to have instead played 5. c3 followed by 6. d4?
 



Scottrf

The two knights defence is directly after Nf6.

If your opponent is playing h6 after Ng5 then Nxf7 forks queen and rook and immediately wins.

Castling looks like a mistake because if Nxe4 Re1 then d5? Doesn't look at all good for white.

learningthemoves

4.b4!

Scottrf
learningthemoves wrote:

4.b4!

? Doesn't really work against 3...Nf6.

ellisgambit

You are reffering to the Fried Liver attack correct? So, instead of castling, I could have played Ng5? I see it in hindsight now, bummer.  I think he threw me off the attack when he played Nf6.

ellisgambit

Im trying to wrap my head around 4. b4!

Scottrf
ellisgambit wrote:

You are reffering to the Fried Liver attack correct? So, instead of castling, I could have played Ng5? I see it in hindsight now, bummer.  I think he threw me off the attack when he played Nf6.

Yeah it can go into the Fried Liver, but black often avoids it with:

Scottrf
ellisgambit wrote:

Im trying to wrap my head around 4. b4!

I presume he was thinking of the Evan's Gambit with 3...Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 etc.

ellisgambit

I actually started reading that today.  I tried the Ruy Lopez a couple of times, but for me is seems like some wasted moves in the beginning if black plays a6...after i get the Itallian Game down I may try the Ruy Lopez again.

Scottrf
ellisgambit wrote:

I actually started reading that today.  I tried the Ruy Lopez a couple of times, but for me is seems like some wasted moves in the beginning if black plays a6...after i get the Itallian Game down I may try the Ruy Lopez again.

It could be argued that it's black wasting moves to put the white bishop on a better square. There are advantages and disadvantages for both sides.

ellisgambit
Scottrf wrote:
ellisgambit wrote:

Im trying to wrap my head around 4. b4!

I presume he was thinking of the Evan's Gambit with 3...Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 etc.

only correct if black had his bishop on c5 correct?

Scottrf
ellisgambit wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
ellisgambit wrote:

Im trying to wrap my head around 4. b4!

I presume he was thinking of the Evan's Gambit with 3...Bc5 4. b4 Bxb4 5. c3 etc.

only correct if black had his bishop on c5 correct?

As far as I know. Looks bad to me in this line.

Scottrf
chessmicky wrote:

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original question. I had assumed you were saying that when you were White the game went 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6 which is a poor move, but common. In that case I was recommending 4.d4.

But if you're Black and the game goes 1,e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.h3 that's also a weak move, but much rarer. At first glace I think 3...Nf6 looks just fine for you. It's a much more useful move for you than 3.h3 is for him and you are taking the lead in development. Because White has the advantage of the first move, he can often play inferior moves in the opening without drastic punishment, but after 3...Nf6 you have already equalized with black.

I thought he meant 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 h6. In post 2 anyway. Post 5 doesn't make it clearer.

ellisgambit

I thought about the idea that I was wasting blacks moves by bringing a6, and then moving back into the Italian Game sqaure.  Like I said, after I get a good grasp of the Italian I will try the Ruy again.