King's Gambit: Muzio Gambit or Ghulam Kassim Gambit?

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mwrr23

For those King's Gambit Players:

Do you like the 

Muzio Gambit 

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Muzio-Gambit

Or the Ghulam Kassim Gambit

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Ghulam-Kassim-Gambit

I usually play the Muzio, but the other seems like it might even work better.

Any King's Gambit experts have experiences with both?

blackjackandchess
I also play Muzio and shoot for a knight fork on the f7 square if I can get it. Kind of go for the Fried Liver Attack type thing but most decent rated players will pick up on it.

Other times I will just move my bishop up 1 square in order to castle because that’s how the Chess.com Lessons teach you to do it
gik-tally

single muzio and falkbeer as black.

mwrr23
blackjackandchess wrote:
I also play Muzio and shoot for a knight fork on the f7 square if I can get it. Kind of go for the Fried Liver Attack type thing but most decent rated players will pick up on it.

Other times I will just move my bishop up 1 square in order to castle because that’s how the Chess.com Lessons teach you to do it

 

Do you mean this?

 

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Salvio-Gambit

blackjackandchess
mwrr23 wrote:
blackjackandchess wrote:
I also play Muzio and shoot for a knight fork on the f7 square if I can get it. Kind of go for the Fried Liver Attack type thing but most decent rated players will pick up on it.

Other times I will just move my bishop up 1 square in order to castle because that’s how the Chess.com Lessons teach you to do it

 

Do you mean this?

 

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Salvio-Gambit

I guess there’s a name for just about everything

johnpaul999

Hi! Thank you for your response. I don't know much about all the variations of King's Gambit. I just play it if it is fit in my Philidors repertoire I am using but I will give you a Link to further you know about it. Here it is. https://poshukach.com/search?fr=ps&gp=813093&altserp=1&q=chessgames.com+king%27s+gambit

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1013666 ; https://www.chessgames.com/perl/collections?search=king%27s+gambit ;

Jasonosaurus

The Muzio is lots of fun, but I haven’t had much success with it at longer time controls. 

betgo

I cannot see how the Muzio is so bad. In the masters database, white usually plays 4. h4 rather than 4 Bc4, but black plays 4 Bc4 Bg7, avoiding the Muzio. It is not played at the top level mainly because black does not want to play into it, not white.

5 0-0 is a little better than 5. d4, which was played a lot in the 19th century.

mwrr23
betgo wrote:

I cannot see how the Muzio is so bad. In the masters database, white usually plays 4. h4 rather than 4 Bc4, but black plays 4 Bc4 Bg7, avoiding the Muzio. It is not played at the top level mainly because black does not want to play into it, not white.

5 0-0 is a little better than 5. d4, which was played a lot in the 19th century.

Have you played both?

RioM2

I won book https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/124/the_kings_gambit_by_john_shaw/ and I change my opinion. Now I play 4. Nc3

There is similar gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d4 g4 6.Bxf4 gxf3 7.Qxf3 and it looks better than Muzio. 

 

tlay80
pfren wrote:
mwrr23 wrote:

For those King's Gambit Players:

Do you like the 

Muzio Gambit 

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Muzio-Gambit

Or the Ghulam Kassim Gambit

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Ghulam-Kassim-Gambit

I usually play the Muzio, but the other seems like it might even work better.

Any King's Gambit experts have experiences with both?

 

The Muzio is the lesser evil. Objectively speaking, both are bad / only for blitz.

It would seem that way, but my only ever win against an IM came in a daily game in which I played a Double Muzio.  Life's weird sometimes.

OP, you're aware that 4. Bc4 isn't the only option, right?  And that you don't only have these two to choose between.  4. h4 is the main line, of course, and as another poster points out, 4. Nc3 is interesting and well worth trying.  (That's without even mentioning 3. Bc4.)

mwrr23
RioM2 wrote:

I won book https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/124/the_kings_gambit_by_john_shaw/ and I change my opinion. Now I play 4. Nc3

There is similar gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 d6 5.d4 g4 6.Bxf4 gxf3 7.Qxf3 and it looks better than Muzio. 

 

That does look interesting.  It looks like its called:

King's Gambit Accepted: Rosentreter, Sørensen Gambit

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Rosentreter-Sorensen-Gambit

Is this the one you are talking about?

mwrr23
tlay80 wrote:
pfren wrote:
mwrr23 wrote:

For those King's Gambit Players:

Do you like the 

Muzio Gambit 

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Muzio-Gambit

Or the Ghulam Kassim Gambit

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Gambit-Accepted-Ghulam-Kassim-Gambit

I usually play the Muzio, but the other seems like it might even work better.

Any King's Gambit experts have experiences with both?

 

The Muzio is the lesser evil. Objectively speaking, both are bad / only for blitz.

It would seem that way, but my only ever win against an IM came in a daily game in which I played a Double Muzio.  Life's weird sometimes.

OP, you're aware that 4. Bc4 isn't the only option, right?  And that you don't only have these two to choose between.  4. h4 is the main line, of course, and as another poster points out, 4. Nc3 is interesting and well worth trying.  (That's without even mentioning 3. Bc4.)

 

Thanks.  Yeah, I looked at the main line but never played it.

The Muzio is really what Chess is all about for me, sacrificing and getting Spectacular Attacks and Checkmates (or losses, ha).

I love winning and checkmating with less pieces on the board than my opponents.

That to me is Real Style.

Which do you like the best?

betgo
mwrr23 wrote:
betgo wrote:

I cannot see how the Muzio is so bad. In the masters database, white usually plays 4. h4 rather than 4 Bc4, but black plays 4 Bc4 Bg7, avoiding the Muzio. It is not played at the top level mainly because black does not want to play into it, not white.

5 0-0 is a little better than 5. d4, which was played a lot in the 19th century.

Have you played both?

No, I have just played the Muzio 5 0-0.  5 d4 doesn't seem to be played much in the last 150 years, and it seems better to get your R, Q, and B all lined up on f7 right away. 

In blitz games online, mostly they play 4 Bc4 g5, but the main main line is 4 h4 and the main line to 4Bc4 is Bg7.

 

 

betgo

I haven't played them, but playing 5 d4, Nc3, or Bxf7+,  rather than 0-0, all could be effective against opponents who sort of know the Muzio, at fast time controls and/or against not really strong players. Those lines are objectively inferior, but were common like in the mid 19th century. 

mwrr23
betgo wrote:

I haven't played them, but playing 5 d4, Nc3, or Bxf7+,  rather than 0-0, all could be effective against opponents who sort of know the Muzio, at fast time controls and/or against not really strong players. Those lines are objectively inferior, but were common like in the mid 19th century. 

I think so too.

I love that mid 19th century style of Chess.

That is why it is so hard to get away from The King's Gambit.

So many of my favorite Chess games in history were King's Gambit.