London System against the Modern Defense

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triplep3

I have heard that the London System doesn't work well against the Modern Defense. Does anyone know why this is the case?

notmtwain

Lakdawala, a noted London System champion, points out that 1.d4 g6 2.Nf3 Bg7 3.Bf4 is not a good move order as Black is ably to play ...e5 straightaway after ...Nd7 as he benefits from not having developed his king knight yet. 

http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Modern-Defence-Move-by-Move-p3712.htm

topwobble

Amazing answer @DeirdreSkye. One theme in these games is that white plays h3 often early to give that escape square. 

St0rmShadow

cchackm8 - u don't need h3. Bg3 is fine for white, if black takes, white takes with h pawn opening up the h-file for his rook eyeing the black king on half-open file. White can castle queenside and white can launch good attacks

yureesystem

 Maybe is black flexible and can adjust to white piece setup and place his pieces to counter white plan; I noticed black get a better King's Indian position and by this allowing better winning chances.

St0rmShadow

If you want a v.good positional understanding of the London system and learn how to counter in various positional setups, look at these videos. You will learn more than most books will teach you

 

GM Chess Lessons, 4 part series:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4uf0bnQUAc (Part 1)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhIcM1N1bdw (Part 2)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaaVZBmXUW8 (Part 3)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyErbVtmE (Part 4)

 

Or view playlist to see the series:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyErbVtmE&list=PLkTgzDChM4gnV21BEdWS4NFd6pV7Hknui

Die_Schanze
St0rmShadow hat geschrieben:

If you want a v.good positional understanding of the London system and learn how to counter in various positional setups, look at these videos. You will learn more than most books will teach you

 

GM Chess Lessons, 4 part series:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4uf0bnQUAc (Part 1)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhIcM1N1bdw (Part 2)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaaVZBmXUW8 (Part 3)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyErbVtmE (Part 4)

 

Or view playlist to see the series:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsyErbVtmE&list=PLkTgzDChM4gnV21BEdWS4NFd6pV7Hknui

Thanks for the links, i will watch later. Do you know which GM makes this channel? 

Cobramist

hi, no I am not sure who he is, sounds american

m_connors

Thank you for the video links. Started watching and will continue.

MickinMD

Lot's of great info. Thanks Dierdre Skye and StOrmShadow!

Last year was the first year I played 1 d4 after decades of 1 e4 as White, and decided to look at the London System because of its similarities to the Slav and Caro-Kann Defenses, but is stronger because of having a move-in-hand.

I've been struggling because of attacking too soon against strong players, and the games here and the links are very helpful.

MickinMD
Cobramist wrote:

hi, no I am not sure who he is, sounds american

The accent sounds American.  The first video has a "like us on Facebook link" that is under the name "GM Himanshu Sharma" but his "About" Facebook page says he's an International Master.

He notes in the 3rd person: "he is an international master .he is the only international master that haryana has ever produced by now." Haryana is one of the 29 states of India.  The sentence form and location don't seem American.  But there are different American voices on other "GM CHESS LESSONS" and a "Himanshu Chess Club."

The lessons seem very good, but this Himanshu guy seems like he needs to come down from his ego trip long enough to be honest that he's not giving GM lessons!

king5minblitz119147

I am curious to know if anyone has prepared an effective counter against the Sniper using the Modern Defence move order, e.g., 1 d4 g6 2 Bf4 Bg7 3 Nc3 c5. I am using 3 Nc3 because I am meeting the Grunfeld with h4-h5 without Nf3 and the Pirc with Qd2 and 000.

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