9...Be7?? is a blunder. Better was 9...Be6 which equalizes in a few moves. No, it is not very OP if black knows to play ...d5 and develop his pieces. Whenever I play this I feel like defense is very intuitive
Max Lange Attack OP??!!
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Aug 20, 2020
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I haven't played Open Games in a while, and it's been months since I saw Williams's videos on the Max Lange (Yes I watched them! 
), so my theory is a little foggy...
SNUDOO a écrit :
I haven't played Open Games in a while, and it's been months since I saw Williams's videos on the Max Lange (Yes I watched them! ), so my theory is a little foggy...
A "clean equalizer". In such a complicated position, where we can find many analysis, there is no clear draw or at least the road for a draw is murky...
I've also noticed that my opponent does'nt play 6. d5. So im also talking about the Scotch gambit xD
Aug 23, 2020
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SNUDOO wrote:
I haven't played Open Games in a while, and it's been months since I saw Williams's videos on the Max Lange (Yes I watched them! ), so my theory is a little foggy...
Shame we can't re-post diagrams from "quoted" comments, but I've gotten this exact position as Black in several of my games before. Yes, the Max Lange Attack is solid for Black if they know their opening theory - but the positions are still sharp and each side must be careful (that is the kind of chess I love, so that is one reason I play this from the Black side).
There is a little more opening theory I have memorized after 10...Qd5 though. Specifically against White's "mainline" move 11. Nc3. However some other continuations are useful to have looked at: such as 10...Qd5 11. Nxe6 fxe6 12. Qg4.
If memory serves me correctly, there are even a few less common lines where White plays f2-f4 and possibly f4-f5 etc. and might even "connect" deep pawns with the g7 passer (obviously this isn't instantly after 10...Qd5 though since 11. f4?? drops the strong g7 pawn to 11...Rxg7 but the f2-f4 potential is there in specific variations though).
Aug 23, 2020
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SNUDOO wrote:
after 9.Bg5 black plays Qd5 Nc3 Qf5 I think
As @Der-Schachspieler highlights, this response for Black loses. You are confusing lines - this is really sharp stuff and it is easy to get mixed up and the position collapses.
If I recall, I think 9. Bg5 is met with this line:
9. Bg5 Be7 10. Bxe7 Kxe7!? (interesting idea rather than 10...Qxe7 showed in the diagram) 11. Re1+ Be6 and the position is roughly equal. (if 12. Ng5? then 12...Rxg7 must be played right away). Usually Black then pushes d4-d3 and tries to safely capture on g7. The position is certainly sharp and fighting chess, but that is what Black gets by playing the Max Lange Attack
Aug 23, 2020
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drunkenstein69 wrote:
prefer 10...kxe7 instead of qxe7
lol - I just read this diagram/post now and seems like I suggested basically the same line. I also like how the discussion brought up 12. Re4 with the idea of Rh4. This idea I am less familiar with. Most of my opponents do not follow this deeply into opening theory I have memorized. I usually get by from memory of opening theory knowledge I have studied or by calculating mid-game. 12. Re4!? in this variation is interesting as I usually get 12. c3 and 12...d3 but ...d3 is still usually a good move even without White pushing c3 first.
Aug 23, 2020
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KeSetoKaiba wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
after 9.Bg5 black plays Qd5 Nc3 Qf5 I think
As @Der-Schachspieler highlights, this response for Black loses. You are confusing lines - this is really sharp stuff and it is easy to get mixed up and the position collapses.
If I recall, I think 9. Bg5 is met with this line:
9. Bg5 Be7 10. Bxe7 Kxe7!? (interesting idea rather than 10...Qxe7 showed in the diagram) 11. Re1+ Be6 and the position is roughly equal. (if 12. Ng5? then 12...Rxg7 must be played right away). Usually Black then pushes d4-d3 and tries to safely capture on g7. The position is certainly sharp and fighting chess, but that is what Black gets by playing the Max Lange Attack
Honestly I don't really analyze in forums (about as much focus as I have in 1 min games), so people should carefully inspect my variations to make sure my conclusions are correct... 
Aug 23, 2020
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SNUDOO wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
after 9.Bg5 black plays Qd5 Nc3 Qf5 I think
As @Der-Schachspieler highlights, this response for Black loses. You are confusing lines - this is really sharp stuff and it is easy to get mixed up and the position collapses.
If I recall, I think 9. Bg5 is met with this line:
9. Bg5 Be7 10. Bxe7 Kxe7!? (interesting idea rather than 10...Qxe7 showed in the diagram) 11. Re1+ Be6 and the position is roughly equal. (if 12. Ng5? then 12...Rxg7 must be played right away). Usually Black then pushes d4-d3 and tries to safely capture on g7. The position is certainly sharp and fighting chess, but that is what Black gets by playing the Max Lange Attack
Honestly I don't really analyze in forums (about as much focus as I have in 1 min games), so people should carefully inspect my variations to make sure my conclusions are correct...
I am just impressed you can play 1 min. games at all. I seldom ever play bullet (so maybe my bullet rating on here is under-rated), but I don't think I can play bullet well at all. I prefer 10 min games (although I can play casually 3 min or 5 min blitz as well). Luckily, I don't remember ever getting this deep into opening theory of the sharp Max Lange Attack in bullet. I draw from OTB experiences and opening study/analysis. For bullet, players are much less inclined to play sharp lines like this I find and are more likely to play an opening that may get the opponent thinking and using up the clock. In bullet, I'd expect to see more openings like 1. g4 or the a3 Sicilian with a3 and b4 
Aug 23, 2020
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KeSetoKaiba wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
after 9.Bg5 black plays Qd5 Nc3 Qf5 I think
As @Der-Schachspieler highlights, this response for Black loses. You are confusing lines - this is really sharp stuff and it is easy to get mixed up and the position collapses.
If I recall, I think 9. Bg5 is met with this line:
9. Bg5 Be7 10. Bxe7 Kxe7!? (interesting idea rather than 10...Qxe7 showed in the diagram) 11. Re1+ Be6 and the position is roughly equal. (if 12. Ng5? then 12...Rxg7 must be played right away). Usually Black then pushes d4-d3 and tries to safely capture on g7. The position is certainly sharp and fighting chess, but that is what Black gets by playing the Max Lange Attack
Honestly I don't really analyze in forums (about as much focus as I have in 1 min games), so people should carefully inspect my variations to make sure my conclusions are correct...
I am just impressed you can play 1 min. games at all. I seldom ever play bullet (so maybe my bullet rating on here is under-rated), but I don't think I can play bullet well at all. I prefer 10 min games (although I can play casually 3 min or 5 min blitz as well). Luckily, I don't remember ever getting this deep into opening theory of the sharp Max Lange Attack in bullet. I draw from OTB experiences and opening study/analysis. For bullet, players are much less inclined to play sharp lines like this I find and are more likely to play an opening that may get the opponent thinking and using up the clock. In bullet, I'd expect to see more openings like 1. g4 or the a3 Sicilian with a3 and b4
Yeah ig bullet players are like that... but I play the same openings in bullet as I do in longer time controls. However, in longer time controls it just isn't as satisfying to premove the first 5 moves and get the better position in 10 min or rapid
For any of you who don't know the Max Lange Attack this is what it is.
There are lots of lines and beautiful checkmates in this gambit. If you want to learn more about it you can see Simon Williams series on it. I use it in a lot of my games and I win all of them (Except in some bullet games where I run out of time.) But is this opening OP??!!