Modern Defense vs 1.d4 I need ideas

HELLO EVERYONE, 

I am deeply analyzing the Modern Defense vs 1.d4-c4 ,  and i had a problem with one critical line.  I would like which ideas u have after this position . 

It is a maroczy structure, the point here is black has not enough time to push his pawns to c6-d5 and free his game.   

I will give you an example what i am talking about :

Someone probably already knows that black´s innacuracy is to play exd4 so quickly,  but black tries to avoid the classic  king´s indian in the modern defense. 

The question is , what can do Black in this position,  if you make passive moves like  a5-Nc5-b6-Bb7  or h5 (the engine moves)   black is in the typical maroczy game but without any counter-play.  

What would you do?   

I would keep the pressure in the center rather than exchange with ...exd4. You can to ...Nf6 instead, and maybe take later.

The maroczy type structure should be played very patiently as black - black should not rush to do anything, because white has more space and preparation. In the first position, you should play ...a5, ...Nc5, and maybe ...Ne6 to exchange some pieces (good in the maroczy) and move slowly. You should wait for an opportunity to get a counterstrike in the position. It's not that nice to play for players who want to do something quickly, but you have to play it like that. 

With regard to counterplay - black doesn't need counterplay because black is not down material or anything. If white tries to attack black, black is ready. But white has more space, so it feels like white's position is better, when it's only slightly better probably. 

Basically you don't need to play 4...Nd7. Don't afraid for the exchange variation, it is well known that Whites have no advantage in this kind of transition. The main theory is 4...e5 where after the first player neglects the exchange variation Black's have a pleasant dilemma to choose from continue in Modern fashion or to transpose in to a improved version of Kings Indian with the move f5 insert before the knight jump to f6.

If you delay the move 4...e5 then you suffocated by Whites rapid development. Move orders.

 Here how you can reach the same position with different move order. 

right, but in your last example Bishop-g5 , the knight remains in b8! so you have an extra-time to play d5,  this is the problem in the line with Nd7.  In fact as i said, when White chooses the line with Re1 instead of the natural Be3 , this c6-d5 works too in my variation with Nd7 .

Probably i finally will traspose to the King´s Indian with Nd7,  i prefer that set-up that to play the maroczy bind.   It is not the end of the world,  but i feel this is position is not my style,  too passive , i think is a wrong set up for black, no matter who is playing with black , and the results in human games are clear for white .  you have more options playing hippotamous defense or philidor stuff than this exd4 early.

Yes, i Remember this e5 was dubious in the 4 move,  i do not remember prety well the reason he he but if i would like play that line instead , I think it was because of dxe5 Qxd8 and f4.

Probably its playable, black has decent results with black,  but i do not like exchange queens in the move 5. 

I've started looking at the Modern from the black perspective myself recently. From white's side I like the Averbakh and am always willing to face the KID.

This idea of c6 instead of d6 in the KID is interesting:

White has had several chances to play e5. I think this is bad over the last couple of moves, but is best before black castles, when black gets a kind of Kings Alekhine Defence. His idea is to undermine with d6. My engine only give white something like + 0.5.

If whites resists e5, then black looks forward to d5. I will give this variation a try myself.

No it is not doubious. 4...e5 is the main move in this position. If you check in a database you will see that Modern defense players that's the way prefer to deal vs the Averbakh center. 7.f4 it is not something special to be afraid off. I think Morozevich has won a couple of games in this line with Black's but as you said it's a matter of taste. To my understanding and way of thinking, it's not a huge fun for Whites to play with out Queens from move five. You see...they know that blacks are prepared for this kind of game. They usually push d5 transposing to something else.

Nice idea, i wil take a look .  It is looks very promising. 

GM Bojkov covered this position in one of his books:

https://www.amazon.com/Modernized-Indian-Defense-Dejan-Bojkov/dp/0985628103

Here are some of his games annotated at kennilworth:

http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2014/bojkov-kid.htm

Play The dzinschi indian, d4 g6 c4 Bg7 Nc3 c5 d5 Bxc3+ bxc3 f5. Thats an interesting line

I use to play the modern and often got into a an improved KID structure. Playing Ne7 early on with an early f5. It was a KID with a tempo or two up. 

Also Nc6 and throwing your knight into d4 can be an idea as well. A lot of different directions and ideas can be used with the modern. 

I would try different move orders or ideas if you're having trouble vs the maroczy bind structure.

Which line do you think is the most challenging for black Pfren ?

I don't know what IM Pfren will say but the latest approach is to transpose in to a Pirc after Whites commit the Austrian attack formation. That's the point of playing 2.e4 after all...

I think one of the benefits of only playing the modern against d4, is often the white player will not play pirc type systems since they like d4. I found this to be the case when I played it vs. d4. 

However, at higher levels, you will see e4 employed more. Probably 1900+ range.

The difficult part about the modern is you have to know sooooo many different pawn structures and plans, and if you're not careful you will get crushed quickly. 

I've been playing the Modern Defense almost exclusively for about 2 or 3 years now. I find it suits my chess deposition. However I took many beatings while learning how to play it. Something told me to stick with it. One thing I learned quickly is to over protect the E5 square. If you don't white will crush you in 15 to 20 moves. Once I started to do that, things improved for me rapidly. White will have a tendency to push his center pawns too quickly up the board and you can outflank him and attack him at his soft underbelly. I realize the Modern is not for everyone. I think it was Tony Miles who said the idea of an opening is to get you into positions you are comfortable with playing. The Modern does that for me.