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ihitdrums

lately ive been playing something along these lines

and its not working. so, a good easy openings, or even just an idea of an opening concept instead would help, anyone up?

ty4playing

Just because you've made room for your bishop and queen to come out doesn't mean they need to be the first out right away.  Knights before bishops is generally good, as Rook16 said.

Also, don't be afraid to move another pawn to open the way for your other bishop or to support the one pawn you've got out there.

If you go to the "Learn" Tab on the opening, you can learn some basic openings.

ihitdrums

whatcha mean flank?

Loomis

This isn't an opening, it's just three moves. And not very good ones.

Opening theory is very complex. Too complex to try to learn an opening at this stage in your chess life. Instead, what you should be thinking about in the opening is getting ALL your minor pieces off the back rank. Notice that your pieces don't accomplish much on the back rank and that they accomplish more when they work together. So, get them off the back rank and use them all.

Let's look at your diagram with this in mind. The queen on f3 is actually taking up a spot for your knight. It's also subject to attack from your opponent's light squared bishop. If your opponent uses a move to get his bishop off the back rank and attack your queen, you'll be using a move to get your queen to safety -- your opponent is making progress and you are not. So, it seems that Qf3 is not a good move for accomplishing our simple opening plan of getting our pieces off the back rank.

 

Other things that keep us from accomplishing our plan:

1) Making too many pawn moves. You have to move some pawns to let your pieces out, but you usually don't need to make more than 3 pawn moves (occasionally 4) in order to get your pieces off the back rank.

2) Moving the same piece repeatedly. If you want to get ALL your pieces off the back rank, you can't be wasting time moving the same one around over and over again.

 

At your level, this opening plan along with a keen eye for not losing material is enough to get you to an interesting middle game. Before you get too far along in the game, you also want to try to get your king castled to safety.

ichabod801

The flanks are the sides of the board, so the flank pawns are the pawns on the sides of the board.

Phelon

1.e4, 2.Nf3, 3.Bc4, 4.o-o will serve you well.

ihitdrums

loomis? can i get you to sugarcoat it sometimes?

nqi

First of all, do NOT try to play Scholar's. It will only win against those with absolutly no opening knowledge or tactical vision. Thank you. Moving on...

Next, remember you have three main goals in the opening.

#1 Develop your pieces to their best squares, particulaly your minor pieces. The knights are generally easy, which is why the are developed first. They tend to go to f3, and c3 or d2. The bishops are a bit harder, but the most active squares are, in general, d3, c4, b5 for the k-bishop and e3 and g5 for the q-bishop. Note these are in general! Clear the back rank for your rooks to take over the open files and your queen should be on the second rank.

#2 Get your king safe. This is generally done by castling kingside. In closed positions, this may not be neccesary if there is absolutly no chance of the other player opening the centre. It is generally best to castle though.

#3 Control the centre. A player of your rating should probably try to do this with the classical pawn centre i.e pawns on e4 and d4.

In addition, study basic openings such as Ruy Lopez, Guicco Piano and kings/queens gambits.  

Loomis
ihitdrums wrote:

loomis? can i get you to sugarcoat it sometimes?


You don't need sugarcoating. Just a few days ago you complained that you couldn't beat anyone over 900 and now you're rated over 1000. Your ability to play chess will increase as you put effort into it -- that's not a sugarcoating, that's a fact. If my responses to your requests for help seem harsh, that's because getting better at chess isn't easy. There are a lot of not so good paths to follow -- like trying for the Scholar's mate. But there are simple things you can do to get better and I've suggested a few of them in the two threads I've responded to you in.

 

Best of luck in your chess improvement.

likesforests

Advice:

  • Do what Rook16, Loomis, and nqi said.
  • Do the opposite of what Rich said.
goldendog
likesforests wrote:

Advice:

Do what Rook16, Loomis, and nqi said. Do the opposite of what Rich said.

 I'd say *ignore* everything rich says. He's totally lost but insists on giving his fellow beginners rotten advice.

ihitdrums

thabsk loomis, you have a point, the "tough love" thing helps a lot.

KillaBeez
rich wrote:

Why is that ?


 Because everything you say has no rationale behind it and is usually the opposite of what is really going on.

ihitdrums

okay, we can post a " the reason Rich's opening ideas suck" forum someother time, but in this one can we stick to me and my sucking?

Skeptikill

its best to stick to what GM's and other genius players have studied and put in books for us to learn! Just find some openings you like and play them! Find the different lines you prefer! Most peoples openigns repetoire are limited to 2-6. I generally play the same 3-6 openings and never deviate from that.

neospooky

I'd heard the rules knights before bishops, don't bring the queen out early, and try to take up residence in the center but what really helped was when I was told WHY.  So I hope this helps:

Develop knights before bishops because it takes longer for knights to get into position.  Bishops can strike from far away, knights are your 'close in' fighters.

Don't bring the queen out too early because:

  • While it's in place, it ties white's defense together allowing the other pieces to keep up the pressure
  • It signals to your opponent where your strategy is headed when you finally commit her
  • You can lose initiative if you have to spend time defending your queen AND your king rather than using her as an offensive tool

And, finally, take up residence in the center.  If you can control the center with your pieces, then your pieces can get to where they're needed faster because the center is closest to everything!  If you LOSE the center, you're forced to try to defend threats on the flanks and the center because they could literally materialize anywhere.

I don't know if that's what a chess master will tell you, but that's worked out pretty well for me.

bellis

whatever u do dont bring your queen out too early thats what ive learned

pvmike

Riches advice wasn't that bad, There's nothing wrong with developing a bishop before a knight. For example after 1.e4 e5, 2.Nf3 and 2.Bc4 are both playable for somebody rated around 1000 it's not going make much difference. But I wouldn't recommend play the scholar's mate.

cowsreallymoo

take knight and pawns out first

hchdez

Look at these rules..

1. Never move your queen in the first 10 moves... (at least that you know what are you doing)

2. Never try to do the fool's mate to a player with a higher rating than 900...