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Mozart_Lamperge

Greetings everyone, I'm not really much of a player, getting back to this game after 5 years, I played a little bit of chess when I was 13 and I'm 18 now, I have a sort of basic grasp of the game.

I want to be familiar with one or two generic openings for black and white which I could work on, so I get the core concepts behind them, right now I see people playing tons of weird lines g3, c4 at first move which sort of makes me confused on how I should reply with as black, so a generic opening suitable for all types of variations would be nice.

I just want a opening where it's easy to identify our mid game and end game potential and plans on what to do, would appreciate all feedbacks. happy.png

IMKeto

Opening Principles:

1. Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5

2. Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key

3. Castle

4. Connect your rooks

Tactics...tactics...tactics...

 

Pre Move Checklist:

1. Make sure all your pieces are safe. 

2. Look for forcing move: Checks, captures, threats. You want to look at ALL forcing moves (even the bad ones) this will force you look at, and see the entire board. 

3. If there are no forcing moves, you then want to remove any of your opponent’s pieces from your side of the board. 

4. If your opponent doesn’t have any of his pieces on your side of the board, then you want to improve the position of your least active piece. 

5. After each move by your opponent, ask yourself: "What is my opponent trying to do?"

 

kindaspongey

For someone seeking help with choosing openings, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).
http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/openings-for-amateurs/
I believe that it is possible to see a fair portion of the beginning of Tamburro's book by going to the Mongoose Press site.
https://www.mongoosepress.com/catalog/excerpts/openings_amateurs.pdf
Perhaps Mozart_Lamperge would also want to consider Discovering Chess Openings by GM John Emms (2006).
"... For beginning players, [Discovering Chess Openings] will offer an opportunity to start out on the right foot and really get a feel for what is happening on the board. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627114655/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen91.pdf
"There is no such thing as a 'best opening.' Each player should choose an opening that attracts him. Some players are looking for a gambit as White, others for Black gambits. Many players that are starting out (or have bad memories) want to avoid mainstream systems, others want dynamic openings, and others want calm positional pathways. It’s all about personal taste and personal need.
For example, if you feel you’re poor at tactics you can choose a quiet positional opening (trying to hide from your weakness and just play chess), or seek more dynamic openings that engender lots of tactics and sacrifices (this might lead to more losses but, over time, will improve your tactical skills and make you stronger)." - IM Jeremy Silman (January 28, 2016)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/opening-questions-and-a-dream-mate
https://www.chess.com/article/view/picking-the-correct-opening-repertoire
http://chess-teacher.com/best-chess-openings/
https://www.chess.com/blog/TigerLilov/build-your-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/blog/CraiggoryC/how-to-build-an-opening-repertoire
https://www.chess.com/article/view/learning-an-opening-to-memorize-or-understand
https://www.chess.com/article/view/3-ways-to-learn-new-openings
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-understand-openings
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-perfect-opening-for-the-lazy-student
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9035.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627110453/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen169.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9029.pdf
https://www.chess.com/article/view/has-the-king-s-indian-attack-been-forgotten
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7277.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9050.pdf
https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7819.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7790.pdf

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7652.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Once you identify an opening you really like and wish to learn in more depth, then should you pick up a book on a particular opening or variation. Start with ones that explain the opening variations and are not just meant for advanced players. ..." - Dan Heisman (2001)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626180930/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman06.pdf
"... To begin with, only study the main lines ... you can easily fill in the unusual lines later. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... For inexperienced players, I think the model that bases opening discussions on more or less complete games that are fully annotated, though with a main focus on the opening and early middlegame, is the ideal. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2010)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)

"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf

Fireline11
I wish I could give you the name of a good, strong, easy to learn generic opening, but I do not know of one. Chess is difficult in all phases of the game. I can give you some advice, for what it’s worth.

Against c4 and Nf3, you can usually play more or less the same as you would against d4. Don’t play automatic chess of course, but you can try to conquer the center using the same means, more or less.

Against e4 you really have to play something different than against d4.I recommend e5. It is 100% sound and played at all levels. You probably won’t be able to find the best move all of the time, but your opponenr won’t either!

Against anything weird (and maybe unsound) stuff: just try to take hold of the center with pawns on e5 and d5, and don’t drop any material! You’ll be fine :)

For white, I recommend e4, control the center and see what happens.
Try playing the best chess you can.

Remember that even if the opening does not (completely) go your way, there are still more moves to be played and descisions to be made by both sides. So it’s not over!
Dsmith42

If you want to keep it really simple, play the French Defense as black and, as white, play 1. a3 (Anderssen's opening) followed by a mirror-French setup.  Then you'd have half as much to work on.

 

That being said, I have found all of the "simple" openings to all be at least somewhat passive, and thus fairly dull to play.

ThrillerFan

I always tell people that the first two openings that anybody should ever learn are the Closed Ruy Lopez and the Queen's Gambit Declined.  Those two openings follow every general opening principal to the letter.

kindaspongey
BobbuTalparov wrote:

... As you can see, just on move 1, black has several options, and each would have a different set of responses from white.  So, you can spend time memorizing the first 5-10 moves of each of them, or you can learn opening principles so that ...

Is there any reason to believe that those are the only two options? Why not use sample games as a way to gradually expand one's opening understanding?

"... Overall, I would advise most players to stick to a fairly limited range of openings, and not to worry about learning too much by heart. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)

"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf

aa-ron1235
BobbyTalparov wrote:
Mozart_Lamperge wrote:

I want to be familiar with one or two generic openings for black and white which I could work on, so I get the core concepts behind them, right now I see people playing tons of weird lines g3, c4 at first move which sort of makes me confused on how I should reply with as black, so a generic opening suitable for all types of variations would be nice.

 

I just want a opening where it's easy to identify our mid game and end game potential and plans on what to do, would appreciate all feedback.

Welcome, and do not fret, but you are making one of the most common mistakes beginners make:  worrying about the opening you should play.

 

Instead, start with @IMBacon's list of opening principles (or pick up a book on general opening principles - such as "Discovering Chess Openings" by John Emms, https://www.amazon.com/Discovering-Chess-Openings-Building-Principles/dp/1857444191)

 

A quick demonstration as to why this is much more important than trying to learn an opening:

 

 
As you can see, just on move 1, black has several options, and each would have a different set of responses from white.  So, you can spend time memorizing the first 5-10 moves of each of them, or you can learn opening principles so that when black plays something you are not familiar with, you have something to guide you.  For example (assume you know nothing about the French Defense):
 
Here you reach one of the mainline positions in the French Defense, without ever knowing the French Defense.  That is, you simply followed opening principles (and you could have deviated in a couple places by making equally correct choices - and still been in a mainline).  At this point, you have a playable middle game (French proponents will  like black; personally, I like white, but the position is fairly equal) and you didn't have to spend time "learning" the French Defense.
 
This is especially true when you start seeing odd openings (e.g. the Grob, or passive play when your opponent stays behind his 3rd rank), where you are not likely to find any theory to help you.

unfortunatly, your example collapses against Qb6

aa-ron1235

he gets much preferable position and if he knows any theory then will get stronger postion (yes i know that it is not even close do losing, its a drawish position, but he gets more active pieces, which at 1000 levels is very important

 

RussBell

Good Chess Openings Books for Beginners and Beyond....

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/good-chess-openings-books-for-beginners-and-beyond

be sure to check out the links in the very last entry at the bottom of the article on building an opening repertoire...

zborg
ThrillerFan wrote:

I always tell people that the first two openings that anybody should ever learn are the Closed Ruy Lopez and the Queen's Gambit Declined.  Those two openings follow every general opening principal to the letter.

Excellent, concise, advice.  Saves lots of keystrokes too.  happy.png

Learn those two systems (generically), then start to build a repertoire, (but only as needed).

Tactics and endgame study pays the best long-term dividends, IMHO.

aa-ron1235
DeirdreSkye wrote:
aa-ron1235 wrote:
BobbyTalparov wrote:
Mozart_Lamperge wrote:

I want to be familiar with one or two generic openings for black and white which I could work on, so I get the core concepts behind them, right now I see people playing tons of weird lines g3, c4 at first move which sort of makes me confused on how I should reply with as black, so a generic opening suitable for all types of variations would be nice.

 

I just want a opening where it's easy to identify our mid game and end game potential and plans on what to do, would appreciate all feedback.

Welcome, and do not fret, but you are making one of the most common mistakes beginners make:  worrying about the opening you should play.

 

Instead, start with @IMBacon's list of opening principles (or pick up a book on general opening principles - such as "Discovering Chess Openings" by John Emms, https://www.amazon.com/Discovering-Chess-Openings-Building-Principles/dp/1857444191)

 

A quick demonstration as to why this is much more important than trying to learn an opening:

 

 
As you can see, just on move 1, black has several options, and each would have a different set of responses from white.  So, you can spend time memorizing the first 5-10 moves of each of them, or you can learn opening principles so that when black plays something you are not familiar with, you have something to guide you.  For example (assume you know nothing about the French Defense):
 
Here you reach one of the mainline positions in the French Defense, without ever knowing the French Defense.  That is, you simply followed opening principles (and you could have deviated in a couple places by making equally correct choices - and still been in a mainline).  At this point, you have a playable middle game (French proponents will  like black; personally, I like white, but the position is fairly equal) and you didn't have to spend time "learning" the French Defense.
 
This is especially true when you start seeing odd openings (e.g. the Grob, or passive play when your opponent stays behind his 3rd rank), where you are not likely to find any theory to help you.

unfortunatly, your example collapses against Qb6

  He actually choose one of  the most theoretical and most difficult  lines in French defense to demonstrate that one can play without theory.The analysis on this line goes all the way up to move 20 in some cases.White has to do a pawn sacrifice and he must know what he is doing as most moves can't be found by understanding general ideas and principles.

 

 

you will note that later i correct my mistake and merely say that black gets an easier position to play

kindaspongey
kindaspongey wrote (emphasis added):
BobbuTalparov wrote:

... As you can see, just on move 1, black has several options, and each would have a different set of responses from white.  So, you can spend time memorizing the first 5-10 moves of each of them, or you can learn opening principles so that ...

Is there any reason to believe that those are the only two options? Why not use sample games as a way to gradually expand one's opening understanding?

BobbyTalparov wrote "Feel free to look over sample games of each of the ~8 different choices black has on move 1, each of which has 2-8 good options for white on move 2, and each of those has 2-8 good options for black on move 2, etc. ..."

Don't want to think about the idea of "gradually expanding"?

kindaspongey
BobbyTalparov wrote:

... Or, you can not waste a ton of time learning things that will not directly improve your game play in the foreseeable future. ...

"... I feel that the main reasons to buy an opening book are to give a good overview of the opening, and to explain general plans and ideas. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... If the book contains illustrative games, it is worth playing these over first ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
"... the average player only needs to know a limited amount about the openings he plays. Providing he understands the main aims of the opening, a few typical plans and a handful of basic variations, that is enough. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2008)
"... Everyman Chess has started a new series aimed at those who want to understand the basics of an opening, i.e., the not-yet-so-strong players. ... I imagine [there] will be a long series based on the premise of bringing the basic ideas of an opening to the reader through plenty of introductory text, game annotations, hints, plans and much more. ..." - FM Carsten Hansen (2002)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf
"The way I suggest you study this book is to play through the main games once, relatively quickly, and then start playing the variation in actual games. Playing an opening in real games is of vital importance - without this kind of live practice it is impossible to get a 'feel' for the kind of game it leads to. There is time enough later for involvement with the details, after playing your games it is good to look up the line." - GM Nigel Davies (2005)

"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf

kindaspongey
kindaspongey wrote:
kindaspongey wrote (emphasis added):
BobbuTalparov wrote:

... As you can see, just on move 1, black has several options, and each would have a different set of responses from white.  So, you can spend time memorizing the first 5-10 moves of each of them, or you can learn opening principles so that ...

Is there any reason to believe that those are the only two options? Why not use sample games as a way to gradually expand one's opening understanding?

BobbyTalparov wrote "Feel free to look over sample games of each of the ~8 different choices black has on move 1, each of which has 2-8 good options for white on move 2, and each of those has 2-8 good options for black on move 2, etc. ..."

Don't want to think about the idea of "gradually expanding"?

BobbyTalparov wrote: "... Yes, you can spend a ton of time trying to 'gradually expand' your opening position knowledge so that you have a halfway decent repertoire, ..."

We are agreed that "gradually" means not-all-at-once?

kindaspongey
BobbyTalparov wrote:

... or you can spend a fraction of that time learning opening principles and tactics, ...

In this thread, did anyone advocate ignoring opening principles and tactics?

kindaspongey
BobbyTalparov wrote:

... and be able to get to a playable middle game regardless of what your opponent plays in response to your opening move. ...

Some seem to think it can be worthwhile having help to sometimes avoid difficult positions.

"... Review each of your games, identifying opening (and other) mistakes with the goal of not repeatedly making the same mistake. ... It is especially critical not to continually fall into opening traps – or even lines that result in difficult positions ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2007)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627062646/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman81.pdf

kindaspongey
BobbyTalparov wrote:

... You have an infinite amount of time, after all ...

Isn't it commonly considered worth some time to play through sample games? Think it takes a lot of time to look up an opening mistake after a game?

IMKeto
BobbyTalparov wrote:

@kindaspongey Please stop spamming.

The best advice i can give you:

Block, ignore, and move on.  Or he will do his "passive/agressive" thing forever.

congrandolor

Easy: 1-c4 -c5 1-d4-d5 1-e4-e5 and so on and so on

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