Orangutan? 1.b4 d5, 2.b5

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fawe4

I love to fool around with Orangutan opening (1.b4, also called Polish opening)and people usually respond with 1 ...d5. Now, pretty much every logical direction of going forward should be protecting your own b pawn or 2.Bb2 to attack opponents e pawn, but from my experience playing it, anything like that will make it difficult later, so I play 2.b5. It looks a dumb move, but I somehow have an easyer game than against any other responce to b4. Offcourse with keeping in mind that 1.b4 initially is not the best thing to do, but like I said, I love to fool around.

So am I missing something? Some trap later on? Or is it actually a decent way of playing.

Sinitsyn

I think you mean 1...e5. Pushing the pawn to b5 is theoretically more in the spirit of the Sokolsky, gaining more queenside space. I played 1.b4 e5 2.b5 once in an official game and i won it against an opponent with 200 Elo points more than me, and i'm planning to do it more in the near future. I have 2 books on the Sokolsky ("play 1.b4 !" by Lapshun and Conticello and "1.b4 Theory and Practice of the Sokolsky Opening" by Konikowski and Soszynski) and strangely enough neither of them has a game with 1.b4 e5 2.b5 or even mentions this move order. I found however an annotated corresp. game with 2.b5 here http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz86.pdf between T.M. Whiteside and T. Harding. When i put 1.b4 e5 in Shredder12 it even gives 2.b5 as the second best move. I think under master level 1.b4 is as good as any other opening because the objectively slightly worse position for white is compensated by the experience&knowledge of the Sokolsky player and the fact that he feels comfortable with it.

Dragec

Both e5 and d5 are respected answers to Polish.

 

Chessgames.com opening explorer:

1...e5  233

34.8%

23.2%

42.1%
1...d5  110

31.8%

22.7%

45.5%
happyfanatic

Why play b5 when you can play Bb2? 

 

It's a slippery slope you're on.   Picking a second rate first move, I can understand.  But following it up with a second rate second move....where does the madness end?

mattvilla1

I played a game with this opening earlier today. I think 1...e5 was the move I made, and it continued 2. b5. Personally I think b5 should be played later on when it actually proves useful.

Sinitsyn

I know both 1...d5 and 1...e5 are good replies to 1.b4 but in the original post by fawe4 he was mixing up both replies, because it would be really difficult to attack the opponent's e-pawn with 2.Bb2 after he played 1...d5. 2.b5 is a possible answer against 1...e5 but against 1...d5 it wouldn't make much sense ?! After 1...d5 white's push to b5 should or could be played later.

Vorg

I always play 2.b5, 3.bB2, 4.b6. At that point everything turns into a flanking and keep that knight in b8. Usually the opponent tries to trade c7, so I reinforce it that possition with a4 and c4, even I play c3 to allow the cover of the bishop. The opponent is forced to a KS castle, so anothe play I use commonly is f4 - Nf3 and put my Bishop in e2 or c4 (the later is a very strong move, my first option if I can put it there). If the opponent comits the mistake of taking c4 or trade it, no problem, I have a Rook covering that line...

Some games I've won using that opening, and some variations.

 

 

1. b4  e5 2. Bb2  d6 3. b5  Nf6 4. a4  Be7 5. c4  O-O 6. e3  c6 7. f4  exf4 8. exf4  a6 9. Nf3  axb5 10. cxb5  cxb5 11. axb5  Rxa1 12. Bxa1  Ne4 13. Bd3  Bf5 14. O-O  Qa5 15. Nd4  Qxa1 16. Nxf5  Nc5 17. Nxe7+  Kh8 18. Bc2  Re8 19. Nf5  d5 20. Qg4  Qf6 21. Qh3  g6 22. Nc3  Qxf5 23. Bxf5  gxf5 24. Nxd5   1-0

1. b4  e5 2. Bb2  Qf6 3. b5  a6 4. c4  axb5 5. cxb5  c6 6. a4  cxb5 7. axb5  Rxa1 8. Bxa1  b6 9. d4  d6 10. e3  h5 11. f4  Bg4 12. Nf3  g6 13. Bc4  Bh6 14. O-O  Ne7 15. Qc2  O-O 16. fxe5  dxe5 17. Nxe5  Bxe3+ 18. Kh1  Qg7 19. Bxf7+  Kh7 20. Bxg6+  Nxg6 21. Rxf8  Qxf8 22. Qxg6+  Kh8 23. Nf7+  Qxf7 24. Qxf7  Nd7 25. d5+  Ne5 26. Bxe5#   1-0

 

1. b4  e5 2. Bb2  Bxb4 3. Bxe5  Nf6 4. Nc3  d6 5. Bd4  Nc6 6. Be3  Ng4 7. Nd5  Nxe3 8. fxe3  Bc5 9. Nf3  Be6 10. c4  Bxd5 11. cxd5  Ne7 12. Qa4+  Qd7 13. Qb3  O-O 14. e4  Rfe8 15. e3  a6 16. Bd3  Ng6 17. e5  Nxe5 18. Nxe5  dxe5 19. O-O  Red8 20. Bf5  Qxd5 21. Qc3  g6 22. Bc2  Qxd2 23. Qc4  Bxe3+ 24. Kh1  Qd5 25. Qe2  Bf4 26. Be4  Qd2 27. Qc4  Qd4 28. Qe2  Qe3 29. Qc2  Rd2 30. Qxc7  Rad8 31. Rae1  Qa3 32. Bxb7  Qxa2 33. Rxe5  Rxg2 34. Re8+  Rxe8 35. Bxg2  Re2 36. Rxf4  Rxg2 37. Rxf7  Kh8 38. Rxh7+  Kg8 39. Qg7#   1-0