Pirc Defense
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ichiro_bloodmoon
Feb 19, 2018
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#1
I would like to learn how to properly play the Pirc Defense. Which variation or variations are the best to play if any? Or would I be better off learning other openings for Black such as the French Defense etc?
Feb 19, 2018
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#2
The pirc defense is not good for black :) it's like to play King's indian defence without c4 ( it's good for white) but, if you want to learn it for blitz games, that's ok. For formal games (for black) i recommend Sicilian, Caro - Kann , or something like this :) Good luck :)
The best way to learn an opening is not asking here (or maybe just for specific variations, but not an entire opening).
See the former comment, very helpful...
I recommend u to purchase a good book.
"Pirc alert" is thought to be a classic, but maybe u could search for more recent work.
The excellent romanian author Mihail Marin juste released a book on it, and maybe The Pirc "move by move" is a good one.
Feb 19, 2018
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#4
Summerscale's "Killer Opening repertoire" is mostly 1.d4, 2Nf3 stodge isn't it?!, guess "Stodge repertoire" wouldn't have sold as well :), but any way white lines. As the "150 attack" lines you mention, but not sure how typical for the pirc this is. On the other hand don't play the pirc for black, so not really sure what is typical.
TwoMove a écrit :
Summerscale's "Killer Opening repertoire" is mostly 1.d4, 2Nf3 stodge isn't it?!, guess "Stodge repertoire" wouldn't have sold as well :), but any way white lines. As the "150 attack" lines you mention, but not sure how typical for the pirc this is. On the other hand don't play the pirc for black, so not really sure what is typical.
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 d6 4.e4 followed by Be3-Qd2 and we transpose into attack 150.
IM poucin wrote:
... "Pirc alert" is thought to be a classic, but maybe u could search for more recent work. ...
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf
IM poucin wrote:
... and maybe The Pirc "move by move" is a good one.
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7604.pdf
IM poucin wrote:
... The excellent romanian author Mihail Marin juste released a book on it, ...
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7755.pdf
"One particular approach to opening repertoire management is the use of universal systems, ... The use of such systems can enable a player to reduce the amount of opening theory he needs to study, and to reach positions of a type he is familiar with and enjoys playing. It is to the pros and cons of this approach that we now turn. ... it is rather more difficult for Black to adopt a universal system, ... The most popular one ... I will discuss in the next section. ... I refer to the King's Indian/Pirc/Modern complex. These lines are characterized by a kingside fianchetto, with such moves as ...g6, ...Bg7, ....d6, ...Nf6, etc. ... The lack of early central contact ... means that there is little chance of violent early contact knocking the player out of his preferred scheme. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2003)
A Practical Black Repertoire with Nf6, g6, d6
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7655.pdf
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7632.pdf
BobbyTalparov wrote:
... The Pirc shares a lot of similarities to the KID. ... If you want a more introductory look at it, "Winning Chess Openings", by Yasser Seirawan uses it as the primary recommendation for black (it is not an exhaustive look at it, but is good for an introduction).
If I remember correctly, the King's Indian is suggested to the reader as a reaction to 1 d4 etc.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf
Feb 19, 2018
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#13
BobbyTalparov wrote:
Everyone has his own opinion, and i appreciate it, but without c4 , white has an extra tempo, and we all know, how important it can be :) in the King's indian, white has space advantage,( after it becomes not so important ) so, The Pirc gives to white space advantage and an extra tempo.
( P.S. Guys, sorry for my English :D :) )
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Pirc actually shares very few similarities with King's Indian defense , and only superficial ones.The initial Black pawn structure is the same but with the white c-pawn still on c2 and not on c4 , we are talking for 2 very different openings.
King's Indian Defense, Normal Variation
Pirc, Austrian Attack
Yep, nothing similar about those lines at all ...
Feb 20, 2018
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#14
Think going to regret stepping into argument, but agree with DeirdeSkype there isn't much similarity between Austrian attack Pirc/modern and the classical kingsindian. In the kingsindian there is much more counterplay possibilities against d4. The difference is enough that personally happy to play classical KingsIndian but avoid pirc/modern positions.
For balance as a sicilian player don't see much to worry about after 1.e4 c5 2Nc3 Nc6 3Bb5 Nd4, or 2Na3.
BobbyTalparov wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
lol , it is funny that even your attempt to be sarcastic is a total failure.
Yes , nothing similar at all and if you see something similar it's because you understand nothing.
But please , don't be discouraged , try to be sarcastic again.
Oh, did my sarcasm hurt your feelings? Don't worry, you can lash out all you want. You are still a troll.
For the record, "similar" means "resembling without being identical". If you cannot see the similarities, you understand less about chess than you let on.
Destruction 0
Personnally, i don't know an equalizing line for black after 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nd4 4.Bc4...
This variation is supposed to be a problem for black.
Bryan Smith wrote a nice article about it :
https://www.chess.com/article/view/the-anti-sicilian-without-a-name
The Pirc is playable, best way to learn an opening from a book.
"... If you choose the Pirc against 1 e4, it makes sense to consider the King's Indian against 1 d4. This is more flexible and will give you additional options later. ..." - GM John Nunn (2006)
Feb 21, 2018
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#19
The Pirc is great. The main strategical ideas are of course play ...e5 and/or ...c5. This is how it is similar to the KID.
Jul 11, 2018
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#20
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Pirc is perfectly fine and it is used from Black players in "must win situations"(as stated by Svidler).It has no similarity at all with King's Indian defense and even if it had, that would be a perfectly good reason to play it.
The problem is that Black has a lot of options at his arsenal so showing you how to play against it in one post is impossible.
The easiest to understand because of it's straightforward plans is the 150 attack(easy to understand doesn't mean easy to play though , nothing is easy in chess).
That's the 150 attack , called that because it was very popular among players rated 150 in the British system(around 1800 ELO).
Nothing difficult till now.Ng1 naturally developed on f3 , Bc1 to e3 and Qd2.
White's main plan is to play Bh6 , exchange the important Bg7 and then launch a k-side attack.Note that White has the option of castling on either side.
It is true that Black's play was quite weak in the above games but both players were close to 2400 FIDE!
It is not always easy attacks like these and don't do the mistake to believe that Black is without counterplay.
One thing is sure , in this line the best player will win(actually this is the case for almost every line except lines that are overanalysed and the better prepared player might win).If you want I can send you Summerscale's "Killer Opening repertoire", a book that deals with it exclusively.If you ignore the misleading title (there are no killer openings or repertoires , these are fairy tales and advertising tricks for ignorants) , it's a book that has everything you need to know about the line and focuses on games and not on theory(it's a line with not much theory anyway).I wouldn't call that book perfect but it's a good starting point.Later , when you improve , you might need a much better book (like the ones IMPoucin recommended).Message me if you are interested.
You really encouraged me to play it again but It's statistically suboptimal based on engines 