Playing Against the Pirc

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deathdog04

I have a chess league match on Wednesday and I've been told my opponent is going to play the Pirc against my d4 opening move of choice.  Besides the name, I know practically nothing of it besides the fianchettoing (sp?) of the bishop and that it's a very trappy opening system.  My team sponser has also recommended that I play the Austrian attack, upon which, I don't know that either.

Anyone care to share the experience / ideas to win against the Pirc and what some lines of the Austrian attack are?

Lance4635946

D4 E3 Kf3 Be2 is a solid opening I use.

Spiffe

The Austrian attack follows 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4.  It shares some characteristics of the Four Pawns Attack against the King's Indian; White builds a big pawn center and retains the option to break with either e5 or f5.

Personally, I've never found a system I particularly liked against the Pirc, so I'll be interested to see some of the other responses to this thread. Smile

Grakovsky

Garry Kasparov pulled off an immortal game against Veselin Topalov in Wijk aan Zee 1999. The opening played was the Pirc Defence and if you want some examples of how the Pirc can be implemented in your own games, I suggest you check out how Kasparov handled this opening:



Grakovsky

I have annotated and explained a little bit of The Austrian Attack for you. I hope it helps:



deathdog04
Spiffe wrote:

The Austrian attack follows 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4.  It shares some characteristics of the Four Pawns Attack against the King's Indian; White builds a big pawn center and retains the option to break with either e5 or f5.


I usually prefer to use d4 opening systems as I'm more comfortable playing with them, so assuming that it's still going to go into the lines of the pirc, does the transposition of it change majorly when 1) d4 instead of 1) e4?

And thanks Grakovsky - both for the game and the Austrian attack, I appeciate the effort of finding and annotating the opening.  It must of taken some to do the work. 

Another question, how would I be able to recognize traps if he/she were to set for me, and what are some of the more common (if there are any) ones to be aware of.

I don't feel comfortable with e4 because if the off chance he doesn't play the pirc and I get into lines of the sicilian, upon which I will be off my game and be playing the board from that point on, which doesn't seem promising at all. 

My main question still is how is the pirc affected if I open with d4 instead of e4, because if he replies with 1) ... d6 and would still play 2) e4.  From there, I would assume that it would be the same lines from that point on, but I don't want to go into the game assuming.  (Because it makes an ___ out of you and me, oh how old that joke gets.)

Spiffe

If you're going to play e4 & d4 on the first two moves, they're pretty interchangeable.  The real difference in playing 1.d4 is the opportunity provided to play 2.c4 instead, and aim for a King's Indian Defense (since 2...Nf6 will otherwise force 3.Nc3).  However, in that instance, black has other transpositional possibilities as well, such as the opportunity to play the Old Indian Defense.  It's a matter of taste.

deathdog04

I actually wouldn't mind to play against the KID since I'm at least familiar and have somewhat (minimally) experienced with it, so if that were to be the case, I would feel better transposing into those lines.

IrishChessWizard

You are not going to learn and practice the pirc to be able to challange your opponent if you go into the main lines so I suggest that you play the following line. It will cut down learning time and its pretty good line where White calls the shots.

This is not a complete analysis but I will assume that you can search some games and so on in your own time.

ericmittens

I suggest the 150 attack against the pirc. It's easy to learn and packs quite a whollop!

MM78

I play the Pirc as black 90% of the time and have a pretty good record here.  My advice to you is avoid it, you won't learn it that quickly and your opponent will be more familiar with the positions.  He cannot force The Pirc on you if you play 1d4 d6 2c4 his best would be to go into a KID set up as Spiffe mentioned already.  The fact that c4 has been played by white means there are subtle differences, so you get him off the ground just he knows to either one you both know or neither of you know.

The Austrian Attack is very exciting and dangerous for both sides...

deathdog04

Alright right, thanks guys for all the help; it turned played out into a KID and I'll show you the game.  Unfortunately, the team I was in lost, with us winning Board 1 and Board 3 (me), but losing on Boards 2, 3, and 5.  Funny bit about Board 2 is that my teammate's opponent's clock ran out, but he failed to notice and was checkmated.  =/  That win would of put us in the playoffs but we're still not out yet.  So here's the game:

Daniel3

Look up the Geller Quiet System. Excellent weapon against the Pirc.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Again. Post it.

Momadu

I really like the Pirc against players who do not know it. I do not think it is tricky or trappy, basic safe. In fact.. very straight forward..unless you push to fast. Otherwise..just play naturally. Austrian can be strong, but most Pirc players expect it everytime. I do.

Momadu

comel4444

im a pirc player Wink

Shadowdork

This is my game, on Board one.  I posted it for deathdog.  Feel free to comment.  I know this isn't the best game, so if you have criticism please post what I did wrong with it.