I can't answer your question, but I have a question. What laptop did you buy, and why did you buy it? Was it mostly for chess and various chess software?
Powerbases and Powerbooks
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Oct 10, 2020
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SeniorPatzer wrote:
I can't answer your question, but I have a question. What laptop did you buy, and why did you buy it? Was it mostly for chess and various chess software?
Because the other one I had was having trouble with running basic functions like Google Chrome, and there was no way to run anything that required memory, like a chess engine.
I mostly use it for Chess and the Internet - sometimes a few games, but not the first person fighting games that require a ton of memory. More like Luxor, or Match-3 Type games.
I wound up getting a Samsung 730QCJ.
Oct 10, 2020
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Powerbook. It's a much larger opening book which isn't "tuned" to favor the way a computer program plays chess. If you load Powerbook as your chess program's default opening book, you're going to see your chess engine play a much wider array of openings than it plays with its normal opening book which comes with the program.
Oct 10, 2020
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IMBacon wrote:
Powerbook. It's a much larger opening book which isn't "tuned" to favor the way a computer program plays chess. If you load Powerbook as your chess program's default opening book, you're going to see your chess engine play a much wider array of openings than it plays with its normal opening book which comes with the program.
So if you bought and loaded the French, Nimzo, and Dutch powerbooks, would it basically play the French every time against 1.e4 and the Dutch or Nimzo every time against 1.d4?
Oct 10, 2020
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ThrillerFan wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Powerbook. It's a much larger opening book which isn't "tuned" to favor the way a computer program plays chess. If you load Powerbook as your chess program's default opening book, you're going to see your chess engine play a much wider array of openings than it plays with its normal opening book which comes with the program.
So if you bought and loaded the French, Nimzo, and Dutch powerbooks, would it basically play the French every time against 1.e4 and the Dutch or Nimzo every time against 1.d4?
No clue. Here is the link to what i posted. Maybe it can hep more.
https://www.chesscentral.com/pages/chess-programs-and-chess-analysis/fritz-powerbook-explained.html
Oct 11, 2020
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Powerbooks are only pure opening books that show moves and win percentages (like the opening explorerer here on chess.com). High level human and engine games are included. I guess that can be interesting for serious correspondence players or engine matches, but you can simply create similar books on your own. Just download games for free and convert them to the book format.
Powerbases are databases with only human games (2300+ or whatever) played in that opening. Mostly unannotated but a few hundred will be annotated. The same games that are also annotated in the normal Mega Database.
If you have the Mega Database, they offer you close to nothing. However, they can be a cheaper alternative to the Mega Database, if you are only interested in very few openings.
If you don't care about annotated games at all, then you can simply download games for free and create your own "Powerbases"
Oct 11, 2020
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punter99 wrote:
Powerbooks are only pure opening books that show moves and win percentages (like the opening explorerer here on chess.com). High level human and engine games are included. I guess that can be interesting for serious correspondence players or engine matches, but you can simply create similar books on your own. Just download games for free and convert them to the book format.
Powerbases are databases with only human games (2300+ or whatever) played in that opening. Mostly unannotated but a few hundred will be annotated. The same games that are also annotated in the normal Mega Database.
If you have the Mega Database, they offer you close to nothing. However, they can be a cheaper alternative to the Mega Database, if you are only interested in very few openings.
If you don't care about annotated games at all, then you can simply download games for free and create your own "Powerbases"
Thanks for the thorough response. Definitely interesting. It does sound like those programs are a bit of a waste. I mean, with the mega database or big database, it is not hard to search for McCutchen games. Search C12-C12. Winawer? C15-C19. Etc.
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I don’t know much about powerbooks and stuff like that, but I think if you are considering chessbase or fritz, get the chessbase package. I’m pretty sure it comes with fritz, and sometimes Fritz by itself is pretty useless, unless the only thing you do is analyze games.
Oct 12, 2020
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NobleElevator wrote:
I don’t know much about powerbooks and stuff like that, but I think if you are considering chessbase or fritz, get the chessbase package. I’m pretty sure it comes with fritz, and sometimes Fritz by itself is pretty useless, unless the only thing you do is analyze games.
What is in Chessbase 15 that is not in Fritz other than the Mega Database (if I understand correctly, does Fritz 17 not come with the Big Database (all unannotated)? I think I also read that it has a bunch of structured repertoires and you can build your own.
I was actually thinking of going the Fritz route and maybe getting the French, Nimzo, and Dutch Powerbases, in essence paying about $10 each for getting 500 games or so annotated.
Oct 12, 2020
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ThrillerFan wrote:
NobleElevator wrote:
I don’t know much about powerbooks and stuff like that, but I think if you are considering chessbase or fritz, get the chessbase package. I’m pretty sure it comes with fritz, and sometimes Fritz by itself is pretty useless, unless the only thing you do is analyze games.
What is in Chessbase 15 that is not in Fritz other than the Mega Database (if I understand correctly, does Fritz 17 not come with the Big Database (all unannotated)? I think I also read that it has a bunch of structured repertoires and you can build your own.
I was actually thinking of going the Fritz route and maybe getting the French, Nimzo, and Dutch Powerbases, in essence paying about $10 each for getting 500 games or so annotated.
Chessbase 15 is the "package" you buy. Fritz is the engine that comes with chessbase 15.
IMBacon wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
NobleElevator wrote:
I don’t know much about powerbooks and stuff like that, but I think if you are considering chessbase or fritz, get the chessbase package. I’m pretty sure it comes with fritz, and sometimes Fritz by itself is pretty useless, unless the only thing you do is analyze games.
What is in Chessbase 15 that is not in Fritz other than the Mega Database (if I understand correctly, does Fritz 17 not come with the Big Database (all unannotated)? I think I also read that it has a bunch of structured repertoires and you can build your own.
I was actually thinking of going the Fritz route and maybe getting the French, Nimzo, and Dutch Powerbases, in essence paying about $10 each for getting 500 games or so annotated.
Chessbase 15 is the "package" you buy. Fritz is the engine that comes with chessbase 15.
Yep
But @thrillerfan that actually sounds good, so like instead of getting a full thing, just getting books/bases for the openings you study?
Oct 12, 2020
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Fritz doesn't really come with Chessbase, only an old Fritz engine is included (pretty useless bc you can import stockfish)
The big difference and only advantage of the Fritz 17 software is that you can play against the computer. In chessbase you can't. Beside that the Fritz 17 software is like a lite version of Chessbase.
I don't have Fritz 17 so I can't tell the exact differences and it's possible that Fritz 17 offers enough for you, but chessbase definitely offers more tools for working with databases, analyzing, prep, repertoires.
Chessbase basically comes without any database, Fritz only with a small database. You can find discounts on bundle packages if you want a software + database.
Worth noting that both softwares also include some months premium membership that gives you access to their online database for the first few months.
In case you decide for chessbase, I'd recommend to wait a bit. If covid didn't change things, new Chessbase 16 should be released Nov 2020 and usually the chessbase online shop offers a 25% discount on the release day.
Oct 12, 2020
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punter99 wrote:
Fritz doesn't really come with Chessbase, only an old Fritz engine is included (pretty useless bc you can import stockfish)
The big difference and only advantage of the Fritz 17 software is that you can play against the computer. In chessbase you can't. Beside that the Fritz 17 software is like a lite version of Chessbase.
I don't have Fritz 17 so I can't tell the exact differences and it's possible that Fritz 17 offers enough for you, but chessbase definitely offers more tools for working with databases, analyzing, prep, repertoires.
Chessbase basically comes without any database, Fritz only with a small database. You can find discounts on bundle packages if you want a software + database.
Worth noting that both softwares also include some months premium membership that gives you access to their online database for the first few months.
In case you decide for chessbase, I'd recommend to wait a bit. If covid didn't change things, new Chessbase 16 should be released Nov 2020 and usually the chessbase online shop offers a 25% discount on the release day.
So if I were to wait until November, do the Fritz Trainer programs include Chessbase Lite like it did back in 2010? That way, you can still view the 2000 or so game database and the 2 to 8 hour video? Like say, if you got a play 1.d4 Download/DVD with the included 200 dame database or whatever it is? Basically to use until I got CB16?
I'm checking out these powerbases, they seem very interesting, and a good alternative for chessbase at a lower level.
Oct 12, 2020
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That should work with the chessbase reader
free download here: https://en.chessbase.com/pages/download
Hey all,
besides the (general) Fritz Powerbook 2021 there are several individual Powerbooks for specific openings (https://shop.chessbase.com/de/categories/powerbooks). Those individual Powerbooks contain substantial more material for the respective specific opening than the (general) Fritz Powerbook 2021. From my point of view thus it should be useful to merge the Fritz Powerbook 2021 with some / all of the individual Powerbooks to gain a stronger and broader "Superbook". Did anyone here tried this before (if so, what about the results?) or can recommend such mergers (I am thinking only about merging with other Powerbooks from ChessBase, not opening books from other companies, e.g. Hiarcs)?
ThrillerFan wrote:
I literally just got a laptop today for the first time in 13 years. The one I had before was so bad you couldn't even load a chess program onto it, let along enhance it.
That said, now that I got one, finally, I have a question about Chessbase and Fritz "stuff". Specifically, what exactly are Powerbases and Powerbooks? It looks like there are about a dozen openings per year. Items like the following:
@thrillerfan , I would prefer to go with powerbases with limited collection of databases of particular openings. In mega databases they also includes the games played by below rated players, and looks like a collection of games. Here you also get some annotated games in powerbases. Powerbook is like an opening tree, with winning and losing percentages of moves which i dont prefer to use.
I literally just got a laptop today for the first time in 13 years. The one I had before was so bad you couldn't even load a chess program onto it, let along enhance it.
That said, now that I got one, finally, I have a question about Chessbase and Fritz "stuff". Specifically, what exactly are Powerbases and Powerbooks? It looks like there are about a dozen openings per year. Items like the following:
Powerbase 2019 - Nimzo-Indian
Powerbook 2019 - Nimzo-Indian
Powerbase 2020 - Dutch
Powerbook 2020 - Dutch
Just to name a few. What is the purpose of these? What is the difference between a powerbase and a powerbook? Are they meant to work together in tandem? Are they nothing more than databases of unannotated games of a specific opening that you could find in any database?
Anybody that has used these before - are they useful? Are they worth paying for? Are they beginner level and meant for openings you are learning for the first time? Or are they more meant to be for players that already know the opening like the back of their hand and is advanced level additional study material?
If you've used these before, your input would be helpful.