Queen's Gambit Accepted Be6 continuation

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DarkLava09

I like running Queen's Gambit and love it even better when it is accepted, however I've come across an where black queen's bishop protects c4 pawn. 1. d4 d5 / 2. c4 dxc4 / 3. e3 be6?!. I'm not sure what to do after this to regain the lost pawn. 

Any help what be nice.

plutonia

the Queen's Gambit is a gambit specifically because black can hold on to the pawn for the time being. Your goal should be to build a good position and recover the pawn along the way, not being hellbent in getting back your pawn asap.

 

4.Nc3 is the most natural continuation.

It prevents black from supporting with b5, and controls d5 and e4. Right now we're threatening to advance with d5. The following plans can include attacking the e6 bishop with either Nf3-Ng5 or Nge2-Nf4.

If black plays c6 to prepare to support the pawn even more then he's taking away the best square for his knight. If you want you can play a4 to prevent him from playing b5.

xxvalakixx

If you just want to get the pawn back, you can play 4. Na3, attacking the pawn and black cannot play b5. But you do not have to hurry, you can take the pawn back anytime. Just play something simple, Nc3 seems to be the best move in that position.

But you should play Nf3 before you make the e3 move.



xxvalakixx

Ng5-Bd5. It is not the best for white.

chasm1995

For QGA I play e4 as my third move so that if the other person does Be6 I can push d5 and still take the pawn.

ad0n1s

Just take the pawn and get the bishop after Qa4+

IpswichMatt
ad0n1s wrote:

Just take the pawn and get the bishop after Qa4+

I think that would be a mistake because after 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dxc4 3 e3 Be6 4 Bxc4 Bxc4 5 Qa4+ Black can reply 5...b5, protecting the Bishop, attacking the Queen and generally ruining White's day

poucin

Be6 is not dubious at all, it is an interesting try.

There are some thoughts about it in Dangerous Weapons : Queen's gambit, which proposes an ambitious repertoire for black in queen's gambit.

The general idea being to hold c4 pawn (1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 a6!? is the other main idea, once again to hold c4).

Here some thoughts, firstly following your path and improving on white's play :

Now, what's happening if black plays well?

Ok, now let's avoid the traps and bad moves.. Here some possibilities :

As u can see, the big challenge for white is to recover c4 or to show he has compensations with better development. All this is playable for both sides.

Colin20G

I was told countless times that black cannot develop his white squared bishop in d4-d5 games. So there is a way actually?

Vofdy
 
The Bishop on f8 looks funny. And now Knight g5 is again, an idea, I think whites position is somewhat pleasent, since the DsB cant exploit the weak sqaures on whites Queenside.

 

soni777chess
xxvalakixx wrote:

If you just want to get the pawn back, you can play 4. Na3, attacking the pawn and black cannot play b5. But you do not have to hurry, you can take the pawn back anytime. Just play something simple, Nc3 seems to be the best move in that position.

But you should play Nf3 before you make the e3 move.



Boris Avrukh recommended e3 over Nf3 in his original repertoire

torrubirubi
soni777chess wrote:
xxvalakixx wrote:

If you just want to get the pawn back, you can play 4. Na3, attacking the pawn and black cannot play b5. But you do not have to hurry, you can take the pawn back anytime. Just play something simple, Nc3 seems to be the best move in that position.

But you should play Nf3 before you make the e3 move.



Boris Avrukh recommended e3 over Nf3 in his original repertoire

In the QGA the move 3.Nf3 is the more popular move order (it avoids 3.e3 e5! but allows 4...Bg4. As Kaufman says, "Apparently Carlsen woudl rather avoid the second move, but 3...e5 (after 3.e3 is more common so in terms of cutting down how much you must study,, 3. Nf3 seems more practical". 

I follow the recommendation by John Bartholomew, 3.e3, and this is why I am interested how to play against 3. Be6, a move often played by weak players and some strong players, but perhaps not so often by in-between players. I guess that a lot of (non-novice) players are aware hat they have to sac material if they play this, and they are not sure if they are strong enough to have "compensation" for the material. Strong players on the other hand know exactly what they are doing, of course.

torrubirubi
poucin wrote:

Be6 is not dubious at all, it is an interesting try.

There are some thoughts about it in Dangerous Weapons : Queen's gambit, which proposes an ambitious repertoire for black in queen's gambit.

The general idea being to hold c4 pawn (1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 a6!? is the other main idea, once again to hold c4).

Here some thoughts, firstly following your path and improving on white's play :

Now, what's happening if black plays well?

Ok, now let's avoid the traps and bad moves.. Here some possibilities :

As u can see, the big challenge for white is to recover c4 or to show he has compensations with better development. All this is playable for both sides.

Great stuff poucin, thanks. Funny that I can't find this line in most of my books, or sometimes just with the recommendation 4.Na3, which is probably not the best here. In any case, thanks.

FrogCDE

4Qa4+ followed by 5.Bc4 seems simple and sensible.

my137thaccount
FrogCDE wrote:

4Qa4+ followed by 5.Bc4 seems simple and sensible.

It's not, black plays c6, after which Bxc4 loses a piece. Remember the opening principle: don't move the queen too early in the opening.

torrubirubi

Look what this guy did against 3...Be6

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1297786&m=9.5

torrubirubi

Or this guy with a Slav move-order

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1289903&m=9.5

phileusfogg

Thank you torrubirubi.  Nice games!