Queens gambit: what about b6?

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Scandinav12345

When I have black, I like to answer Queen´s gambit like this:

White: d2 - d4  Black: d7 - d5

White: c2 - c4  Black: b7 - b6

This b6 gets a low rating in many chess books, but I don't understand why. For me it prevents White: c4 - c5, which will block black´s bishop. 

Any comments?

Haruuun_OO

Because white now can just take the pawn and play cxd5, and black is going to waste his time by taking it back with whatever piece he use.

 

There's no need to prevent a bad move like an early c4-c5, you can play b6 after it just fine:

 

 

 

IMKeto
Scandinav12345 wrote:

When I have black, I like to answer Queen´s gambit like this:

White: d2 - d4  Black: d7 - d5

White: c2 - c4  Black: b7 - b6

This b6 gets a low rating in many chess books, but I don't understand why. For me it prevents White: c4 - c5, which will block black´s bishop. 

Any comments?

While not the best choice, at your level its perfectly playable.

 

osctestaccount
IMBacon wrote:
Scandinav12345 wrote:

When I have black, I like to answer Queen´s gambit like this:

White: d2 - d4  Black: d7 - d5

White: c2 - c4  Black: b7 - b6

This b6 gets a low rating in many chess books, but I don't understand why. For me it prevents White: c4 - c5, which will block black´s bishop. 

Any comments?

While not the best choice, at your level its perfectly playable.

 

White and Black now possess almost same weight. Good.

Zugerzwang
Just one of many playable bad moves.
IMKeto
Optimissed wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Scandinav12345 wrote:

When I have black, I like to answer Queen´s gambit like this:

White: d2 - d4  Black: d7 - d5

White: c2 - c4  Black: b7 - b6

This b6 gets a low rating in many chess books, but I don't understand why. For me it prevents White: c4 - c5, which will block black´s bishop. 

Any comments?

While not the best choice, at your level its perfectly playable.

 

Not 4. Nc3 .... rather either 4. Nf3 or 4. f3. I would play Nf3 most probs.

I'm at work, that's just a line i threw out there :-)

IMKeto
Optimissed wrote:

Caused me some trouble because I want to analyse 4.f3 and 4.Nf3.

Its probably not the right way to view it, but i was thinking of what the OP would encounter the most.

Scandinav12345

Thanks for many good answers. I especially appreciate the comments from Haruuun_OO and IMBacon. However, I still think that white: c4 - c5 blocks the black bishop, which should be avoided, and so far as I can see b7 - b6 is still OK, but I admit that the disadvantages has been clearer. 

JamesColeman
Scandinav12345 wrote:

 I still think that white: c4 - c5 blocks the black bishop, which should be avoided

 

Thats just a fundamentally wrong way of thinking about it, even though yes, you can play it and it won’t lose by force. 

Scandinav12345

Thanks for the replies to all. I understand that b6 eventually may occur later, but that it is more important to develop in other ways. I still have a problem with the black bishop, but I accept that it is other things that should come first. 

Thanks to everyone who contributed! You are good people happy.png

 

SharedUser
Scandinav12345 wrote:

Thanks for the replies to all. I understand that b6 eventually may occur later, but that it is more important to develop in other ways. I still have a problem with the black bishop, but I accept that it is other things that should come first. 

Thanks to everyone who contributed! You are good people

 

You shouldn't worry about the bishop at all - it normally goes to e7. In fact, white playing c5 indirectly activates the bishop because it pressures the pawn, hence it's not something you should think about. Here's an example:

 

IMKeto
Optimissed wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Caused me some trouble because I want to analyse 4.f3 and 4.Nf3.

Its probably not the right way to view it, but i was thinking of what the OP would encounter the most.

You're right there but, of course, white intends to play e4 and doesn't want black to be able to swap the knight off, so Nc3 is not a good move. Which would you prefer, f3 or Nf3?

My preference would be 4.f3.  Now that's some center control.

IMKeto
Scandinav12345 wrote:

Thanks for many good answers. I especially appreciate the comments from Haruuun_OO and IMBacon. However, I still think that white: c4 - c5 blocks the black bishop, which should be avoided, and so far as I can see b7 - b6 is still OK, but I admit that the disadvantages has been clearer. 

Your c4-c5 will work now.  But if you're choosing to improve, and grow in chess?  It may be a habit you want to start learning to break now.  But whatever you decide I wish you luck.

Scandinav12345

Thank you everybody. I learned especially much of the two games which SharedUser and IMBacon shows. I think I have solved my little problem now. 

IMKeto
Optimissed wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Caused me some trouble because I want to analyse 4.f3 and 4.Nf3.

Its probably not the right way to view it, but i was thinking of what the OP would encounter the most.

You're right there but, of course, white intends to play e4 and doesn't want black to be able to swap the knight off, so Nc3 is not a good move. Which would you prefer, f3 or Nf3?

My preference would be 4.f3.  Now that's some center control.>>>

Absolutely .... there's no messing with the fact that e4 will happen. I also looked at Nf3 after which it's probably best for black to delay capturing, but it's difficult for black to choose a move and white has the possibility of 5. Qa4. It may be that black can get tied in knots. I will investigate that tonight at the chess club.

Obviously you cant go wrong with either move...It will come doesn to preference.