Revival of Hypermodern Chess

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yvesrything_funky

As we all know Chess Engines have completely shut down modern openings at top level chess with Exception of Grunfeld defence. Openings like King's Indian,Benoni, French, Modern, Pirc all are not considered as great as they used to be in the past, because of engines love for space advantage.

Now going back to the Morphy Era where Modern openings were also frowned upon was also due to the same reason lack of centre control and space.

Is this possible that in future as Engine becomes more powerful we can see the Revival of Modern Chess? What if they also evolve for liking of Hypermodern style chess as we humans made it popular? 

KevinOSh

It is very difficult to predict future trends in openings played at the top level. A lot of Titled players take inspiration from what Magnus Carlsen plays, and he plays almost everything because he is not necessarily trying to play the top engine moves but to get a playable position where his opponent is not booked to the teeth.

There is a huge gulf between the world's best humans and computer engines so a middlegame position which is losing at the computer level is still often competitive at GM level and certainly very playable at amateur level.

nighteyes1234

Noone knows what you are talking about. Engines play all major pawn structures.

1e4 e5 2 qh5 d6...philidor.

Ot doesnt suggest KID? Huh? 1 d4 Nf6 2 e3 g6 3 Nf3 Bg7 4 c4...d5 or o-o.

Chuck639

What GMs and engines play won’t change my hypermodern play anytime soon. To me, it’s about having counter play and enjoyable positions, so I am happy in those areas.

Pretty much anything is playable at the club level.

yvesrything_funky
Chuck639 wrote:

What GMs and engines play won’t change my hypermodern play anytime soon. To me, it’s about having counter play and enjoyable positions, so I am happy in those areas.

Pretty much anything is playable at the club level.

Why would it change your hypermodern play? You play what you play bruv whether it be Bongcloud or Berlin.

I was asking about the chess evolution, looking at the past trends {Morphy Era (Classical chess) - Fischer Era(HyperModern Chess)}

and was comparing it to Early Computer dominant Era (Present)- Future

and was trying to have different perspectives of Chess enthusiasts on what they think could possibly happen would we see some kind of Revival in Hypermodern openings? or not.

Is really chess based on center/space based play?

Nobody cares what you play so stop posting about what you are playing.

yvesrything_funky

It's this one of the posts in threads like someone asks which Sicilian to play and the dude posts don't learn Sicilian lol

Chuck639
FunkyYves wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

What GMs and engines play won’t change my hypermodern play anytime soon. To me, it’s about having counter play and enjoyable positions, so I am happy in those areas.

Pretty much anything is playable at the club level.

Why would it change your hypermodern play? You play what you play bruv whether it be Bongcloud or Berlin.

I was asking about the chess evolution, looking at the past trends {Morphy Era (Classical chess) - Fischer Era(HyperModern Chess)}

and was comparing it to Early Computer dominant Era (Present)- Future

and was trying to have different perspectives of Chess enthusiasts on what they think could possibly happen would we see some kind of Revival in Hypermodern openings? or not.

Is really chess based on center/space based play?

Nobody cares what you play so stop posting about what you are playing.

Exactly and similarly, I do not care what others are playing.

With regards to engines, people will flock to it and take it as gospel. It is interesting to see some openings debunked or revived but again, that shouldn’t matter to what any of us play at the club level.

ReflectReflections

Interesting theme. I think hypermodern ideas should work better for white than for black. Because after d4 and e4 black is getting healthy positions with a little advantage for white in the center and space and maybe a little of counterplay for black. I think moves e4 and d4 might be too straightforward and we have to come to hypermodern chess as white, to come to something more flexible. Moves like c4 Nf3 g3 b3 maybe top players should watch in that direction and develop theory there.

MaetsNori
FunkyYves wrote:

As we all know Chess Engines have completely shut down modern openings at top level chess with Exception of Grunfeld defence. Openings like King's Indian,Benoni, French, Modern, Pirc all are not considered as great as they used to be in the past, because of engines love for space advantage.

This is actually incorrect.

At the highest engine level (Stockfish vs. LC0, for example), all the defenses you mentioned hold just fine.

These days, it's "Draw Town" everywhere you look, regardless of which main opening or defense you choose ...

ItsTwoDuece

I really disagree with the idea that the hypermodern style of play is shut down by the engine. Though it generally doesn't evaluate these openings well, they still perform similarly well. I think a combination of two things can explain this: the engine can not properly respect the potential of positions like the KID at depths used by most players, and even if we assume these openings are sub-optimal, human level play fails to practically refute it. Sure, super GMs will be hesitant to play them (and even that isn't a given), but even at the moderate GM level there are still big advocates.

tygxc

@1

"in future as Engine becomes more powerful we can see the Revival of Modern Chess?"
++ No, there will rather be a revival of classical chess: Ruy Lopez and Queen's Gambit.

' The fact is that the Hypermodern Theory is merely the application, during the opening stages generally, of the same old principles through the medium of somewhat new tactics.
There has been no change in the fundamentals. The change has been only a change of form, and not always for the best at that. ' - Capablanca 1934

yvesrything_funky
tygxc wrote:

@1

"in future as Engine becomes more powerful we can see the Revival of Modern Chess?"
++ No, there will rather be a revival of classical chess: Ruy Lopez and Queen's Gambit.

' The fact is that the Hypermodern Theory is merely the application, during the opening stages generally, of the same old principles through the medium of somewhat new tactics.
There has been no change in the fundamentals. The change has been only a change of form, and not always for the best at that. ' - Capablanca 1934

Makes sense