Ruy Exchange--Why not 4...bxc6?

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atarw
jempty_method wrote:
pfren wrote:

Tim Taylor was advocating 4...bc6 in his Spanish repertoire book (on the modern Steinitz). I wasn't convinced at all, but then I wasn't convinced by any Taylor book...

The more I read this book the more I realize how much of it contains just plain wrong information.  I need to go back to Amazon and update my review -- he will not be pleased.

In his KID book, he says 99.999% lines are winning for White in the FPA.

atarw
pfren wrote:
 

White has no advantage here, so its safe to assume that 5.Nxe5 is nothing special.

5.0-0 is the right move, when Black is alive, but not well.

I would also like to stress that whoever believes that the Exchange variation is "harmless" is simply uneducated. Black has just two ways to proven equality (4...dc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 h5 and 4...dc6 5.0-0 Qf6) but neither of them is clear of pits.

Recently Caruana fell into deep trouble against Najditch at the Grenke super-tournament employing the "solid" 5...Qf6 variation, which he handled rather poorly. Actually he won the game, but his position was certainly not enviable.

I thought Qd6 was a move.

atarw

(after dxc6 0-0)

aced7

I don’t understand why you would give up your D pawn

kindaspongey
Savage47 wrote:
abiogenesis23 wrote:

I've never understood why anyone would …

... you have to stop thinking you know more than everybody else ...

Is that what "I've never understood" means? And, by the way, has abiogenesis23 been here since 2013?

kindaspongey
Savage47 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Savage47 wrote:
abiogenesis23 wrote:

I've never understood why anyone would …

... you have to stop thinking you know more than everybody else ...

Is that what "I've never understood" means? And, by the way, has abiogenesis23 been here since 2013?

Abio said that as a statement not a question. …

Was it necessary to ask whether or not abiogenesis23 had ever understood something? Wasn't that something that abiogenesis23 was in a position to know?

kindaspongey
Savage47 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Savage47 wrote:
abiogenesis23 wrote:

I've never understood why anyone would ever play the Ruy Exchange, throwing away the precious light-squared bishop for basically nothing.

...

... Read the entire quote. He is pre-supposing he is right and everyone else is wrong. 

I still do not see anything about everyone else being wrong. I suppose it could be argued that abiogenesis23 was presupposing "basically nothing" as compensation for giving up the bishop for a knight, but the I've-never-understood part of the sentence seems to me to indicate a recognition of possibly incomplete understanding. Anyway, you are reacting to a 2013 post.

muhammadimran931

nothing wrong with this move

kindaspongey

"... leaves White with the initiative." - Shaun Taulbut (1996)

kindaspongey
IM pfren wrote (February 26, 2013):

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 bxc6 5. Nxe5 … White has no advantage here, so its safe to assume that 5.Nxe5 is nothing special.

5.0-0 is the right move, when Black is alive, but not well. ...

"No one plays 4...bxc6?, since after 5 0-0 d6 6 d4 White is a whole tempo up on the Steinitz Deferred [(1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 d6 5 Bxc6+ bxc6 6 d4)]." - IM Sam Collins (2005)

TwoMove

Fischer in game against Gligoric in "60 Memorable games" comments on 4...bxc6, but can't remember what recommends.

rebrvwd

You have the white pieces which means you are the one pushing for a win. Trading pieces and giving up the bishop pair doesn't exactly help with that. Trading simplifies the game closer to a draw.

kindaspongey

"Black has two bishops, while White has a better pawn-structure. After d4, exchanging the black e-pawn, the white kingside majority is healthy (meaning it can create a passed pawn) while the black queenside majority isn't." - IM Sam Collins (2005)

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1258181

MatthewFreitag

I used to use this line.

It's not great:

It's not great, most of my games looked something like the line above.

kindaspongey
IM pfren wrote:

White has no advantage here, so its safe to assume that 5.Nxe5 is nothing special.

5.0-0 is the right move, when Black is alive, but not well. ...



checkmatemark04

White has a great position. He's more developed, and has more space in the center.

kindaspongey
kindaspongey wrote:

"[1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Bxc6 bxc6 5 d4 exd4 6 Qxd4] leaves White with the initiative." - Shaun Taulbut (1996)

 

kindaspongey
kindaspongey wrote:

… "No one plays 4...bxc6?, since after 5 0-0 d6 6 d4 White is a whole tempo up on the Steinitz Deferred [(1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 4 Ba4 d6 5 Bxc6+ bxc6 6 d4)]." - IM Sam Collins (2005)