Hello people! I have been wondering about this last move: Qd8. It occurs in numerous books, but I can't see the sense of this, instead of playing, for example, Qa5. What do you think about it?
Scandinavian Defense 1. e4 d5 2. Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8!!
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Qd8 is alright but not the best move. Qd6 or Qa5 is optimaly best. Qd8 is more conservative due to the queen been attack hindering development. I my-self play the scandinavian with a different variation. sacrifice 2 pawn for rapid development. it's a sharp line.-. 1e4 d5. 2.exd5 c6. 3 d5xc6 4.Nxc6.
Qd8 is best, however Nc3 is bad. 3. Nf3 wins by force
You still lose that tempo.. (svensker..)
Here is a fairly recent book written on the variation. Before this, the ..Qd8 retreat was largely neglected and ..Qd6 was in style. It used to be ..Qa5 was the most popular by far but I think it's suffered from being overanalyzed. http://www.amazon.com/The-Qd8-Scandinavian-Simple-Strong/dp/1936490765
Conzipe wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:
You still lose that tempo.. (svensker..)
No, you use the tempo to develop the queen which is arguably better than nothing.
Equally arguable is that there is no better square for the Q than on d8. Basically, Black is playing a Caro-Kann, but ruling out some of White's approaches against that opening, i.e. the Exchange/Panov and the Advance Variation.
Qd8 doesn't make sense aesthetically but since Qd6 and Qa5 lines also lead to eventual tempo loss, it makes some sense
I have played a few games with this move - the idea is to go for g6, nh6,nf5, bg7 and make sure all of your pieces hit the d file, although for this line, should look at how it has developed, which i have no clue
skotheim2 wrote:
We heard you the first time you spouted this unsubstantiated claim.
Perhaps you felt a sadness inside when noone bothered to respond to you?
I don't understand why skotheim is trolling.
xman720 wrote:
I don't understand why skotheim is trolling.
He's a clown.
Going to what ponz is saying, 3...Bg4 more or less forces 4.Be2 and now 4...Nc6 pretty decently for Black, with the idea of a quick ..O-O-O and ..e5. White's idea with 3.Nf3 is otherwise dangerous - he would like to play d2-d4 and eventually c2-c4 to hit Black's Q with a pawn and not block his c-pawn with the QN. This way White gets to gain a tempo AND play behind a broad pawn center. (With the normal quick hitting 3.Nc3 there is no broad pawn center)
If only it were so simple surely this would be the main line and 3.Nc3 would have been branded the "duffer's move" !
White doesn't win by force...
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skotheim2 wrote:
Qd8 is best, however Nc3 is bad. 3. Nf3 wins by force
Retreating passively is not the end of game if you are a tactician master!
One variation!
The clown would crush you in that starting position
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
xman720 wrote:
I don't understand why skotheim is trolling.
He's a clown.
skotheim2 wrote:
The clown would crush you in that starting position
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
xman720 wrote:
I don't understand why skotheim is trolling.
He's a clown.
How does posting one variation where Black makes an obvious blunder on move 5 supposed to prove anything or contribute to the discussion in any way? I mean, I know from your FIDE card you are only 16 but still, there is no way you should be this stupid.
Silly. I would not play that variation as white. I said the starting position not the line