Scandinavian Defense 1. e4 d5 2. Qxd5 Nc3 Qd8!!

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GreenCastleBlock
skotheim2 wrote:

Silly. I would not play that variation as white. I said the starting position not the line

The only silly one here is you.  You said "that starting position" not "the starting position."  As in, the position starting after the moves you had just given.

After 6.c4 Black plays ...Qf5! not ..Qa5.  Didn't you read my post?

Perhaps your ADHD medication has run out and you need your parents to refill it before you post again.

adumbrate
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:

Silly. I would not play that variation as white. I said the starting position not the line

The only silly one here is you.  You said "that starting position" not "the starting position."  As in, the position starting after the moves you had just given.

After 6.c4 Black plays ...Qf5! not ..Qa5.  Didn't you read my post?

Perhaps your ADHD medication has run out and you need your parents to refill it before you post again.

why are you bringing ADHD in. shows lack of a grown up brain

adumbrate

Plus Be3, and delaying castle

GreenCastleBlock
skotheim2 wrote:
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:

Silly. I would not play that variation as white. I said the starting position not the line

The only silly one here is you.  You said "that starting position" not "the starting position."  As in, the position starting after the moves you had just given.

After 6.c4 Black plays ...Qf5! not ..Qa5.  Didn't you read my post?

Perhaps your ADHD medication has run out and you need your parents to refill it before you post again.

why are you bringing ADHD in. shows lack of a grown up brain

You'd know nothing about that.  You make crap posts and waste space.

adumbrate

Waste chess.com's beloved bytes while getting points for it.

Jion_Wansu

Who's going to give away their queen like that?

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skotheim2 wrote:

One variation!

adumbrate

It was to showcase a basic trap

X_PLAYER_J_X

Even though Skotheim2 makes some very outragious statements sometimes. LOL He is actually right about this line. lol 3.Nf3 does win by force.

after 6.c4

Black has tryed 3 different queen moves

Qa5, Qh5, Qf5

The engines think the best move is 6...Qf5.

However, if you actually play out all of those continuations with an engine + chess databases support. White maintains an advantage. They usually will win.

Which is why not alot of high level players. Play the Scandinavian. They use the Scandinavian only as a surprise weapon.

Which happens sometimes in SGM level they will play a line not seen as much in hopes there opponent may have forgotten the theory etc.

adumbrate
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

Even though Skotheim2 makes some very outragious statements sometimes. LOL He is actually right about this line. lol 3.Nf3 does win by force.

after 6.c4

Black has tryed 3 different queen moves

Qa5, Qh5, Qf5

The engines think the best move is 6...Qf5.

However, if you actually play out all of those continuations with an engine + chess databases support. White maintains an advantage. They usually will win.

Which is why not alot of high level players. Play the Scandinavian. They use the Scandinavian only as a surprise weapon.

Which happens sometimes in SGM level they will play a line not seen as much in hopes there opponent may have forgotten the theory etc.

awesome

X_PLAYER_J_X
RubiksRevenge
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brbrahul389

John Bartholomew's youtube channel he speaks a lot about qd8 lines ...u must check it out

 

ponz111

There are responses for Black in the 3. Nf3 line, not mentioned here.

I would guess that White does not have a forced win vs the Center Counter.

dude667
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
 

Allow me to respectfully disagree with your comment about ..1d5 being inaccurate and ..1e5 being best. It seems to me you may be  attaching too much importance to engine evaluations, unless of course it  was a humorous remark. In reality,..1d5 is a fine move and ..1e5 is a fine move too, but not necessarily better than other  fine moves. At least for human use.

WeLearnChess

As much as I dislike the Scandi, I can't agree that White wins the Nf3 lines by force, but they are definitely strong and fun lines to play.  Bryan Smith has a great video series on the Nf3 variations, in which White often sacks multiple pieces to get a vicious attack, punishing Black for his insolent Scandi play.    It's still on the ichess site for those who are interested. 

 

Overall though, the Qd8 lines are not so easy to exploit, which I continue to find amazing--I mean, developing the queen and then undeveloping it should lead to a larger advantage for White than he seems to usually get.  

X_PLAYER_J_X
dude667 wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
 

Allow me to respectfully disagree with your comment about ..1d5 being inaccurate and ..1e5 being best. It seems to me you may be  attaching too much importance to engine evaluations, unless of course it  was a humorous remark. In reality,..1d5 is a fine move and ..1e5 is a fine move too, but not necessarily better than other  fine moves. At least for human use.

 

I am sorry; however, you seem to be disagreeing with a comment in your own mind!

I never said anything about 1...e5.

The only thing which said anything about 1..e5 was a computer chess engine evaluation.

The computer chess engine evaluation doesn't belong to me.

Furthermore, The computer chess engine evaluation doesn't tell you my opinion on e5 at all!

Since, you feel like bringing up statements I never said.

Allow me to straighten out the situation by telling you my true opinion about the move 1...e5

I don't believe 1...e5 is the best response to 1.e4.

I believe the computer engine evaluation is incorrect.

I believe 1...c5 is the best response to 1.e4.

I think the move 1...e5 is the second best move.

Lastly, I still believe the move 1...d5 is an inaccuracy.

So there you have it!

 

 

I believe 1...c5 is the best move vs 1.e4

I believe 1...d5 is an inaccuracy vs 1.e4

 

 

A computer engine believes 1...e5 is the best move vs 1.e4

A computer engine believes 1...d5 is an inaccuracy vs 1.e4

 

 

In the end both human and machine agree the move 1...d5 is such a weak move.

The only reason Scandinavian players win chess games is due to their opponents forgetting their home preparation.

Machines have refuted lines of the Scandi!

Humans would refute the Scandi as well if they weren't so forgettful!

They can't remember anything.

They forget it as soon as they learn it.

I have created an awesome code name for Scandinavian players AKA The Russian Roulette Chess Players!

When they play the Scandinavian bascially what they are doing is given there opponent a gun with only 1 bullet in the chamber with several other blank chambers! They sit while there opponent fires off shots. The whole time they are hoping and praying there opponent has forgotten there analysis and is firing off blanks.

Every once and a while a white player will come prepared and the Scandi player gets blasted!

It is a little funny watching them win sometimes.

They get so excited like little kids at a candy store!

Wooooo Hooo I won with the Scandi!

Woooo Hoooo I dangled myself in front of a hungry lion and he didn't eat me!

Wooo Hooo

Those funny little morons.

Let me guess dude667 your a Scandi player?

 

Arn't you so cute!

We would pinch your little chubby cheeks.

Connor_Anderson_117
#37

Nice burn. Totally shut him down.
forced_draw

Using computer engines on move one is friggin idiotic, all the way around

Robert_New_Alekhine

Although the Scandinavian breaks three major opening principles, something about the opening just works. Maybe because black's structure is too solid to break. 

forced_draw
WeLearnChess wrote:

As much as I dislike the Scandi, I can't agree that White wins the Nf3 lines by force, but they are definitely strong and fun lines to play.  Bryan Smith has a great video series on the Nf3 variations, in which White often sacks multiple pieces to get a vicious attack, punishing Black for his insolent Scandi play.    It's still on the ichess site for those who are interested. 

 

Overall though, the Qd8 lines are not so easy to exploit, which I continue to find amazing--I mean, developing the queen and then undeveloping it should lead to a larger advantage for White than he seems to usually get.  

Why 3...Qd8 is playable has to do with maintaining pressure down the d-file on White's pawn on d4 (should he move it there, and he inevitably does), combined with other moves such as ...Bg4 and/or ...Nc6.  You could argue 3.Nc3 is an inaccuracy as it blocks the c-pawn and allows just this sort of pressure on d4.