Sicilian Defense

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jnicholes

Hello,

I was reading a chess book, and I saw an opening called a Sicilian Defense. It caught my interest, so I went against a computer to experiment with it. This is the result:

I went against a Level 1 mainly because I wasnt familiar with the Sicilian Defense, and I wanted to try it for the first time.
I thought the Sicilian Defense was fun and interesting. It caught my interest, and I want to learn more about how to use it.
Does anyone here use the Sicilian Defense? I would like to learn more about using it from other players.
Jared
Yigor

No wonder, it's just the most popular defense. blitz.pngtongue.png

Strangemover

Yes the Sicilian 1.e4 c5 is perhaps the most popular choice for black vs 1.e4. There are a great many ways the game can go from here. In this game you show 2.b3 is quite an unusual move and so this was just a game of chess rather than any kind of deep Sicilian game. Most common is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3. It is usually recommended to beginner players to play e5 vs e4 and d5 vs d4 because these types of games give a better grounding in general understanding. It is also recommended not to focus particularly on openings. If you are just starting out you must first nail the basics of developing pieces well, keeping your king safe, not losing material, spotting tactical patterns. Once you have this base you can then expand to looking at opening ideas. I also repeat what I said in one of your other posts, playing humans is a much better way to learn IMO.

jnicholes

Hello,

@Strangemover, I remembered your earlier post before this game, I took it to mind. I only went against a computer because I didnt have a real player to play with at the moment. Also because I wasnt familiar with the opening.

Anyway, You are right. I need to be able to preserve pieces, develop pieces, and everything else you mentioned. I am still learning.

Thanks for the help and the advice!

Jared

staples13

I would recommend against playing the Sicilian. It loses by force to the Alapin Variation 2. c3

Strangemover
staples13 wrote:

I would recommend against playing the Sicilian. It loses by force to the Alapin Variation 2. c3

A false and ludicrous statement. And even if it were true it is pointless to give such advice. In how many moves does it lose by force? What is the likelehood of two beginner players playing such a game? Why do all professional players with $ and prestige at stake not play the Alapin vs every Sicilian they face? etc etc...

staples13
Strangemover wrote:
staples13 wrote:

I would recommend against playing the Sicilian. It loses by force to the Alapin Variation 2. c3

A false and ludicrous statement. And even if it were true it is pointless to give such advice. In how many moves does it lose by force? What is the likelehood of two beginner players playing such a game? Why do all professional players with $ and prestige at stake not play the Alapin vs every Sicilian they face? etc etc...

I already proved my claim. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense

staples13

If he were to become a very strong player he would have to switch openings away from the Sicilian. Might as well encourage him to start the transition early

Strangemover

Yes I see that you conclusively proved it and also persuaded the chess.com community that you are correct. 

The2DarkKnights

Sicilian Defence Is a protest against 1..e4  In Sicilian Defense Black changes the C pawn for White D pawn Gaining a pawn advantage on the center and opens de C file for the rooks. It set An asymetrical pawn structure so people argue there are more probability of a win. White usually gains almost always a lead in piece development that result in very complex attacks

staples13
The2DarkKnights wrote:

Sicilian Defence Is a protest against 1..e4  In Sicilian Defense Black changes the C pawn for White D pawn Gaining a pawn advantage on the center and opens de C file for the rooks. It set An asymetrical pawn structure so people argue there are more probability of a win. White usually gains almost always a lead in piece development that result in very complex attacks

Yes blacks only compensation in the Sicilian is that he is able to trade his c pawn for whites d pawn. That is why the ideal response is 2. c3 refusing to allow this exchange forever cementing white’s control of the center, and eventually the superior piece development and center control that white enjoys will win the game

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
Strangemover wrote:
staples13 wrote:

I would recommend against playing the Sicilian. It loses by force to the Alapin Variation 2. c3

A false and ludicrous statement. And even if it were true it is pointless to give such advice. In how many moves does it lose by force? What is the likelehood of two beginner players playing such a game? Why do all professional players with $ and prestige at stake not play the Alapin vs every Sicilian they face? etc etc...

I already proved my claim. 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense

"In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force. ..." - staples (#1, ~29 days ago)

"... Black has 2 main move , 2...d5, ... and 2...Nf6 ..." - UzayAltay (#12, ~29 days ago)

"... I think you should back up your claim with more reasons why 2...d5 or 2...Nf6 might fail for Black. ..." - wiahwib (#32, ~29 days ago)

"... Yes d5 and nf6 do provide much stiffer resistance than any of black's other responses. I, however, believe black is still lost even after these moves. I will post an analysis shortly." - staples13 (#38, ~29 days ago)

"... I’m gonna analyze nf6 ..." - staples13 (#74, ~27 days ago)

"Try your opening against latest Stockfish on your desktop, give SF 1 min per move thinking time. Post your pgn at move 12. Let me know whether black is busted or not!! ..." - drmrboss (#110, ~23 days ago)

"Here's my game with Stockfish. It wasn't able to equalize against my Alapin and its position is probably lost. ... Admittedly I couldn’t figure out how to download stockfish so I had to guess as to what moves stockfish would have played, but I think I probably got it right" - staples13 (#114-5, ~23 days ago)

kindaspongey
staples13  wrote:

... the ideal response is 2. c3 ...

"... There is no doubt in my mind that if you really want to test the Sicilian then you have to play the main lines of the Open Sicilian. ..." - GM John Nunn in a 2005 book

autobunny
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13  wrote:

... the ideal response is 2. c3 ...

"... There is no doubt in my mind that if you really want to test the Sicilian then you have to play the main lines of the Open Sicilian. ..." - GM John Nunn in a 2005 book

we'll have nunn of that here

staples13

I should write a book on the Alapin

thegoldenknight2003
jnicholes wrote:

Hello,

I was reading a chess book, and I saw an opening called a Sicilian Defense. It caught my interest, so I went against a computer to experiment with it. This is the result:

I went against a Level 1 mainly because I wasnt familiar with the Sicilian Defense, and I wanted to try it for the first time.
 
I thought the Sicilian Defense was fun and interesting. It caught my interest, and I want to learn more about how to use it.
 
Does anyone here use the Sicilian Defense? I would like to learn more about using it from other players.
 
Jared

hey did you look at my post about the sicilian defense, I got a lot of interesting responses you can check it out here

jnicholes

Hello,

@thegoldenknight2003, I saw your post, It was interesting. I play the Sicilian on occasion.

Jared

kwamoshcr
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