Sicilian dragon

I liked it and then gave it up and now I think I like it again.  Also like the Dragondorf.  Saying that I am reading an old book from the nineteen fifties and the lines that it gives I don't think stand modern scrutiny.

take a look, its just a bad line for black. 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.d4 cxd, 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6, 6.Bg5 and now playing ...g6 is just asking for it because the d pawn will become super weak and the great thing about the Dragon (its pawn structure) is compromised.  White has a huge advantage in this line.  It seems therefore that perhaps ...Nc6 is not the best way to approach to the Dragon and that ...d6 is a more flexible choice.  This is borne out in the idea that sometimes as in the Dragondorf the Queens night goes to d7.  I don't know though, its difficult to favour a pawn move over a developing move and its always good to try to conceal ones true intentions.

here is interesting game in Dragondorf.  White thinks its a routine Yugoslav attack.

Here Maggie Carlsen plays Dragon with 2...Nc6, perhaps its a better line. Looks like 1.e4 c5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.d4 cxd, 4.Nxd4 and then ...g6

Hi MegasAlexandros86, its very interesting.  I like ...d6, it prevents or at least kind of takes the sting out of white playing e5.  If we delay ...d6 we get the following which again has a huge winning percentage for white.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your idea though?

robbie_1969 your post #3 is a Classical Sicilian and 6 Bg5 the Richter-Rauzer. Post #5 'A dragon with 2...Nc6' is generally referred to as the Accelerated Dragon (post #6) and has the big downside that White can set up the Maroczy Bind (1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 g6 5 c4).

Post number three is a game from the book I am reading from the 1950's, does black play ...g6 in the classical Sicilian? I doubt it, more like ...e6 and Be7, but I understand what you are saying. It starts out like a classical Sicilian.  Yes I also understand that white can get a bind, Moro didn't play that though.  Not so much interested in classification but in concrete ideas e.g. is there a way to conceal ones intentions to play Dragon, or what is the best way to enter the Dragon, things like these

g6 is nearly always a horrible idea in the Classical Sicilian, because Black wants to play gxf6. You say it starts out like a Classical Sicilian and I guess you can get away with that with 6 Be2 g6 but 6 Bg5 g6?! is just bad and nothing like a Dragon whatsoever. After 7 Bxf6 exf6 Black's bishop seems strong on g7 but the d6-pawn is weak and if White can prevent the f5 break he will stand excellently.

There is no plus to be gained from trying to enter a Dragon through a Classical move order and it only gives White additional and dangerous options.

Oh I see you edited your post now, well the best way to enter the Dragon is simply 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 g6. It's quite concealing too since the Najdorf is more popular. 2...Nc6 allows the Rossolimo and the Maroczy Bind and a lot of players will play one of those, they are very popular systems, while 2...g6 also allows the Maroczy Bind as well as some dangerous options like 3 d4 cxd4 4 Qxd4!? and even 3 h4!?. The normal Dragon move order allows 3 Bb5+, 4 Qxd4 and 5 f3 as most important Anti-Sicilians.

ok so 2...Nc6 allows white some extra options as does the Hyper Accelerated Dragon.  What is this idea of MegasAlexandros86 to play an immediate ...d5 and prevent Yugoslav?  I vaguely recall something in a book I read, Experts v the Sicilian by Quality chess in which the author stated that it can be used as a drawing weapon but i can remember no specifics.

agreed.

Well first off I am not an Accelerated Dragon expert, so maybe it'd be best if MegasAlexandros86 explains it himself, but I do face it with the White pieces and can show you that perspective.

So where can Black go for d5? It seems only at 8 Bb3 d5!? in this sequence, and that variation is rather new. Might be worth checking.

Perhaps this is the idea in the mainline, if this is indeed mainline Dragon.

or maybe even this?

The Dragon: Volume One by Gawain Jones (2015)
"This book is highly recommended for all who play the Dragon or who are thinking of taking it up." - IM John Donaldson
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Dragon-The-76p3898.htm

"... The Dragon Sicilian ... has been refuted and left for dead many times, only to rise from its grave (resurrected by the diligent work of its devoted followers!) and mate lots and lots of White kings. ..." - IM Jeremy Silman (2014)

https://www.chess.com/article/view/monster-opening-preparation

"... The Polugaevsky Variation and the Dragon Variation will die out. ..." - GM Evgeny Sveshnikov (2014)

The June 2017 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 2105 April games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1...c5, 1...e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries are: 145 Retis, 102 Caro-Kanns, 92 King's Indians, 90 Nimzo-Indians, 88 declined Queen's Gambits, 86 1 d4 Nf6 sidelines, 85 Slavs, 56 Najdorf Sicilians, 55 1...Nf6 Englishes, 53 1...c5 Englishes, 48 2 Nf3 d6 sideline Sicilians, 45 Semi-Slavs, 42 1 d4 d5 sidelines, 41 Catalans, 40 1...e6 Englishes, 40 1...e5 Englishes, 38 Classical Gruenfelds, 36 Berlin Ruy Lopezes, 35 Taimanov Sicilians, and 33 Dutches.

So is this the mainline dragon.

looks good for black

Don't mention it but unless you are preprepared to proffer anything more substantial yourself then oh well. . . .

In fact 9 0-0-0 d5! is pretty much the only playable line for Black as both 9...Nxd4? and 9...Bd7? have serious issues. If you're interested I'll elaborate.