Slav, Semi-Slav, or the Dutch?

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swarminglocusts

I just don't like the Slav for forced draws that I perceive and I don't like facing the Larsson Gambit in the Dutch. My mind may be persuaded. 

Yigor

Semi-Slav or Triangle Slav. peshka

Toldsted

Never heard of any Larsson Gambit, so that shouldn't be a real problem?

If your problem is how to win against a White player satisfied with a draw, then you should probably go for the most unbalanced position, wich often come from the Dutch or the Indian systems.

But if White dont want to play any Black opening will face problems. But then you will have the middlegame :-).

tygxc

Both Slav and Semi-Slav are good. Dutch is dubious. There are no forced draws at your level.

1Lindamea1

dutch with 1. e6 or 1.g6

ThrillerFan
swarminglocusts wrote:

I just don't like the Slav for forced draws that I perceive and I don't like facing the Larsson Gambit in the Dutch. My mind may be persuaded.

Whatever you are calling the Larsson gambit can be avoided with move order.

1.d4 e6 and now:

2.e4 d5 is the French Defense

2.c4 f5 or 2.Nf3 f5 or 2.Bf4 f5 and you are in a Dutch, which is NOT dubious as one fool previous said, and you have avoided the Gambit lines (Staunton Gambit and Poisoned-Spike) and avoided 2.Bg5 and 2.Nc3. The 2.Nc3 Dutch is avoided as you play 2...d5 against 2.Nc3 leading to the French (3.e4) or Jobava Attack (3.Bf4).

Only the Leningrad Dutch is dubious as you king has no safe haven.

Uhohspaghettio1

Dutch is not dubious, I think what you mean to say is it has fallen out of favour with most gms.

Ethan_Brollier
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Dutch is not dubious, I think what you mean to say is it has fallen out of favour with most gms.

Leningrad is DEFINITELY dubious, but yes the Nimzo-Dutch, QIDutch, Classical, and Stonewall are all only as unsound as the Mar del Plata KID.

Rapport still actually plays the Stonewall Dutch via transposition against the Catalan (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 Ne4! 4. Nf3 f5 5. Bg2 d5)

Ethan_Brollier

Personally I’m a massive fan of the Semi-Slav, not for myself as it’s impossible to find opponents who’ll play it, but just in general. It’s a fascinating opening, probably the single best try against d4 for Black, and leads to some of the most interesting and sharp chess in chess.

1Lindamea1
Ethan_Brollier написал:

Personally I’m a massive fan of the Semi-Slav, not for myself as it’s impossible to find opponents who’ll play it, but just in general. It’s a fascinating opening, probably the single best try against d4 for Black, and leads to some of the most interesting and sharp chess in chess.

Sounds interesting. How do you use that boring ahh setup to make a fun game?

Ethan_Brollier

Variations like the above. Just like any defense, there’s some slower, more positional play (5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6), but there’s even more stuff, like 5. Bg5 h6, and the Meran specifically (5. e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5) is interesting and and complex enough to merit its own opening.

tygxc

@7

"Dutch is not dubious, I think what you mean to say is it has fallen out of favour with most gms."
Dutch IS dubious, that is why it has fallen out of favour with most GMs.
See figure 4a: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf

@8

"Leningrad is DEFINITELY dubious"
++ Leningrad is the least dubious of the Dutch.
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1164333 
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=1164252

PromisingPawns

I personally like the semi slav because it's a bit more aggressive than the regular slav, and easy to play. Dutch is also interesting and aggresive.

1Lindamea1

hopton attack is a refutation for the dutch