Statistically correct moves and openings

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Yigor

Here we continue our little work on statistical evaluations of openings. wink.png Please look here

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/statistical-sharpness-and-evaluation

for definitions. I use the data of the chesstempo database considering only positions with 100+ master games. The statistical evaluation of the initial position (defined as the mean value) is equal to +0.39. It suggests the following definition.

 

Definition 1. A move in the initial position is called statistically correct if its statistical evaluation is no less than +0.39.

 

It implies that statistically incorrect moves decrease the statistical evaluation of the position. Our calculations in the previous thread give us 5 statistically correct moves in the initial position:

 

  • 1. d4, 595170 games, sh1=1.1, sh2=0.8, ev=+0.46
  • 1. Nf3, 170046 games, sh1=1.0, sh2=0.7, ev=+0.47
  • 1. c4, 119941 games, sh1= 1.1, sh2=0.7, ev=+0.48
  • 1. g3, 14379 games, sh1=1.1, sh2=0.8, ev=+0.42

General definition. Let a position Y be a legal successor of a position X by a move m: X->Y. We say that m is statistically correct if ev(Y)>=ev(X) when white moves and vice versa when black moves.

 

We'll give examples starting from the post #4.

  • #4 King's Pawn opening
  • #37 Queen's Pawn opening (Differentiation2)

 N.B. My special thanks to Differentiation2 who contributed a lot to this thread. happy.png

Yigor

SylentSwords: Thanks for this meaningful comment shedding some light on statistical evaluations. wink.png

Yigor

Let's denote KP the position after the move 1. e4. According to our general definition, a move m: KP -> Y is statistically correct if ev(Y)=< ev(KP)+0.1=0.4. Here's the list of statistically correct black replies to the King's Pawn opening:

 

  • 1...c5 Sicilian defense, ev=+0.1
  • 1...e5 King's Pawn game, ev=+0.4
  • 1...e6 French defense, ev=+0.4
  • 1...c6 Caro-Kann defense, ev=+0.3
  • 1...d6 Pirc defense, ev=+0.4
  • 1...g6 Modern defense, ev=+0.1
  • 1...Nf6 Alekhine defense, ev=+0.4
  • 1...Nc6 Nimzovich defense, ev=+0.3

Here we have our first surprise. blitz.png The Modern defense is, statistically, as strong as Sicilian. blitz.pngwink.png

 

Statistically incorrect defenses:

 

  • 1...d5 Scandinavian defense, ev=+0.6
  • 1...b6 Owen defense, ev=+0.5
  • 1...a6 St. George defense, ev=+0.7
Yigor

Differentiation2: I consider positions with 100+ master games. wink.png

gingerninja2003

There are three types of lies in this world. lies. dammed lies and statistics. 

Mark Twain

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

Ok, thanks. What of the Petrov? Statistics alone it seems unplayable, worse than St. George and yet Kramnik uses it, and it is considered very sound. Has statistics failed us? 

 

I don't think that statistics of 16000+ master games could be anomalous, the probability is close to zero. I guess that Kramnik uses sublines outside of mainstream Petrov where black statistics become correct. wink.png

 

Also, when a position is really drawish with low sharpness, the statistical evaluation becomes less important.

Yigor
gingerninja2003 wrote:

There are three types of lies in this world. lies. dammed lies and statistics. 

Mark Twain

 

LoL tongue.png

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

 

Also 1.e4 e5 Nf3: +0.45

 

It's okay cuz white moves and the evaluation of 1. e4 e5 is +0.4. So, the evaluation of a statistically correct white move should be higher or equal to +0.3.

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

 

Yeah, it's a big surprise for me too that Petrov has so poor statistic results for black. tongue.png

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

So I guess the Vienna Game is statistically incorrect at +0.2. What do you think about the Modern being more statistically correct than the most commonly used Sicilian by a margin of ~0.04?

 

0.04 is not so important difference imho in this context. We can consider that the Modern defense is as good as Sicilian. happy.png

Yigor

What is more surprising for me is that 1...g6 is much better than 1...d6. I thought that these moves are almost fully interchangeable. tongue.png

BronsteinPawn

Sorry brah but chess is an art, no place for objective evaluations, just feelings.

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

It is also a surprise to me how poor the French Rubinstein's results are

French Rubinstein (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4) : +1.7222..... 

 

Indeed, black has only 16% of wins !?! blitz.pngtongue.png

Yigor
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Sorry brah but chess is an art, no place for objective evaluations, just feelings.

 

Yeah, but for mathematicians statistics are also an art. wink.png

BronsteinPawn
Yigor escribió:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

Sorry brah but chess is an art, no place for objective evaluations, just feelings.

 

Yeah, but for mathematicians statistics are also an art.

stop refuting my comments 

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TatsumakiRonyk

Thanks for another insightful thread, Yigor (and thank you to those of you who collaborate). I'm afraid I've got no insight to add, but I love reading things like this.

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:

Also, it seems that the best response to the Italian Game: Knight Attack according to your criteria is the Traxler Counterattack (very double-edged, SF1:~1.712 SF2:~3.614) at -0.457

 

Traxler countrattack is indeed very double-edged and tricky. We discussed it a lot here. It turns out, for example, that 5. Nxf7 with great engine evaluations is not good for white with correct black's play. Engines miss it even at high depth. tongue.png

Yigor
TatsumakiRonyk wrote:

Thanks for another insightful thread, Yigor (and thank you to those of you who collaborate). I'm afraid I've got no insight to add, but I love reading things like this.

 

Hey, U are welcome! Actually, these calculations are really easy, U can do it yourself. wink.png

Yigor
Differentiation2 wrote:
Yigor wrote:

What is more surprising for me is that 1...g6 is much better than 1...d6. I thought that these moves are almost fully interchangeable.

Of course! My hypothesis is that in Pirc, black almost ALWAYS plays Nf6 allowing the deadly e5. In the modern after Bg7 you have the choice of whether to play Nf6 or not. You can also transpose to Pirc whenever need be, and the Pirc rarely ever transposes to the Modern due to 2...Nf6, or use something exclusive to the Modern like the Pterodactyl. White also has more deadly attacks against the Pirc than Robatsch like the 150 Attack, Sveshnikov-Jansa Attack, Chinese Variation, Bayonet Attack, Austrian Attack, and the list goes on. The only real common deadly attack against the Modern is the Pseudo-Austrian. In short - the Modern is basically an improved, superior Pirc, both theoretically, and statistically.

 

Thanks for these interesting insights and I'm glad that U have a hypothetical explanation. wink.png

Yigor

One more big surprise: 1...d5 is statistically incorrect reply to the Queen's Pawn opening 1. d4, ev(1...d5)=+0.7. blitz.pngtongue.pngblitz.png