Oh and also, I have heard people say "If they do this... Don't play the Stonewall" and although this is gonna sound nooby, I want to know what you can do. If I'm already 5 moves into the openning, what can I do?
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Chess Psychology: The Will to Win by William Stewart (2013)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708105336/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review901.pdf
Apr 10, 2016
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#4
I used to play the stonewall until I got to 1800, my advice is to first play e4 openings and learn to attack, then the stonewall ideas will come naturally.
@AntonDaLedge
The problem with the Stone Wall Attack is the lack of pressure on black!
Black is free to play a set up he wants to play against you.
Which makes it more tricky for you.
Since you will have to try and be prepared for everything he dishes out!
You want to try and sneak your way into the set up.
I will give you an example:
The move I recommend you start with is the move 1.d4
Basically you will get in the above set up.
Once you are in that set up you will try to attack.
You will have moves like Ne5 to help your attack.
In many cases you will throw up your G pawn to g4 and try to march your F pawn + G pawn forward to black.
Usually you will hide your king in the corner when you do all of this etc.
The idea is to use your whole army + your F pawn + in some cases your G pawn to do a mating attack on the king side.
The draw back of all of this is sometimes your opponent.
Will do moves which might force you to play something differently.
Like you might end up having to play another line.
One example would be if your opponent played an early Bg4 move.
Lets talk about the above move Bg4.
The move is an annoying move by black.
Which gives us some issues as white.
The issue we have is we want our F pawn on f4.
However, if we play f2 to f4 here we lose our queen.
Which means we have to play a move here which trys to avoid the threat!
A few moves we can consider f3, Be2, Ne2, or Nf3
f3 = if we play f3 to block the bishop.
The Set up we will end up with is not the idol set up we want.
We really want our F pawn on f4.
If we play f3 black might move his bishop back like in the below example:
You can see how in the above example the pawn still can't go to f4 because black still has the annoying pressure.
Now lets show Be2 = The issue we have with Be2 is that we have moved our bishop from f1 to d3 than back to e2 for no reason at all.
You can see how our light square bishop is moving around to much.
He goes to d3 than back to e2 to get traded!
Furthermore, black would love to make this trade!
The reason why is because black has all of there pawns on light squares.
White on the flip side has all the pawns on the dark squares.
Which means our light square bishop is the better bishop.
The bishop which is giving us problems is the dark bishop.
The reason why is because all our pawns on d4 and e3 are blocking our dark bishop.
Which is why we really don't want to trade our light square bishop like this.
Now lets show Ne2 = Another move we can try is Ne2!
Now the problem with the move Ne2 is our knight will end up hitting were all our pawns want to go!
Let me give you a quick flash back in the below diagram!
Our ideal set up is to have our pawns look like the above diagram.
If our knight is on e2.
You can see a huge problem can't you?
Our knight will be hiting e3 - d4 - f4 which is bascially all the pawns we own!
We don't want our knight hitting our own pawns.
We want our knight able to try and attack our opponents stuff!
The best place for the knight to attack is on f3.
Now lets show Nf3 = This move would be the best way to block the attack on the queen!
Now might be the best way of blocking the pin.
We block the threat to the queen + we develop our knight!
The problem is if we play Nf3.
We will have a huge problems in trying to move the F pawn!
Do you agree?
Its hard to move the F pawn if the knight is on f3 sitting in the way of the F pawn!
Which is why if our opponent plays this way we should consider playing a different line.
Which is why I think you need a back up line to deal with these types of players!
You can have the Stone Wall Attack as your main line to play against most people.
1= The Stone Wall Attack
However, against this annoying type of players.
I think you should try systems which seem similar to the Traditional Colle or Rubinstein Opening
The lines I am showing you have no real name!
They are hybrid lines!
Offically they have been played before;however, they don't have a name.
The closest name you will find to describe them is the Traditional Colle or Rubinstein Opening
** The reason I am putting this is red is so you know they are not exactly the same**
2= The back up lines
Hybrid Traditional Colle
I think this might be the simpliest line to play as white.
You have a pyramid pawn formation!
b2 - c3 - d4 - e3 - f2
Those pawns remind me of like a spear!
Hybrid Rubinstein Opening
Yeah the Stone Wall Attack is a tough line.
I know some Stone Wall Attack players who have done other forums who love it.
However, I think it is a very tough opening to try and play.
If you are barely starting out in the Stone Wall I think 1.d4 should be the move order to consider.
It will help you get in the habit of occupying the center with a pawn.
Apr 11, 2016
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#6
Look up on youtube the channel of "the backyard professor" He is quite amusing and not too theoretical. He has a few video's on the Stonewall which might be helpful. This guy is American and an amateur like most of us. Dzien dobry
I find London System more useful than stonewall since it develops the bishop. A matter of preferene I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I find London System more useful than stonewall since it develops the bishop. A matter of preferene I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jchoi678 wrote:
I find London System more useful than stonewall since it develops the bishop. A matter of preferene I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, the London System is like the brother line of the Colle!
They are all related!
London System, Colle, Torre Attack, & Trompowsky
They all deal with the dark bishop mostly.
Yeah I wrote some nice blogs on the London System!
https://www.chess.com/blog/X_PLAYER_J_X/london-system
https://www.chess.com/blog/X_PLAYER_J_X/london-system-poisoned-pawn-variation
AntonDaLedge wrote:
Hi guys. I recently had a look at the Stonewall Attack and have tried to use it against other players when playing 5 minute games. I feel it is effective because people don't really know what to do against it. However, I also kinda don't know what do do with it. There are several situation where I don't know what to do and although I get that one of the main advantages is attacking the kingside, I don't know how to do that well. The problem is that it is quite a rare opening and so there aren't many places to look for help. Does anyone know a good website for it? Or a good article on it?
And I don't need people saying "Don't play it, it's bad". Bare in mind my rating.
Thanks 👌
To understand an opening, you need to understand the pawn structure.
I have questions...
Youre trying to learn an opening.
Youre playing 5 minute games.
You think its effective, but you dont know how to play it.
Apr 11, 2016
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#11
"Win with the stonewall dutch" by Sverre Johnsen and Ivar Bern is said to be very good filled with verbal explanations
Apr 12, 2016
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#12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjQrQZjDEN8
This link leads you to a 1 hour and 40 minutes during video on the Stonewall defense for black by GM Nigel Davies. Don't let the Spanish title mislead you, the video is completely in English. It's a great undiscovered channel about chess openings. The vids might be a little old but still modern enough for players from our level.
Well, you might as well go London, which is quite similar, except you've freed your DSB.
Hi guys. I recently had a look at the Stonewall Attack and have tried to use it against other players when playing 5 minute games. I feel it is effective because people don't really know what to do against it. However, I also kinda don't know what do do with it. There are several situation where I don't know what to do and although I get that one of the main advantages is attacking the kingside, I don't know how to do that well. The problem is that it is quite a rare opening and so there aren't many places to look for help. Does anyone know a good website for it? Or a good article on it?
And I don't need people saying "Don't play it, it's bad". Bare in mind my rating.
Thanks 👌