The ULTIMATE fried liver defense

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xartesit03

Fried liver is very annoying, here is one solution!

xartesit03

check the faded out moves to see what would happen if white was a little smarter.

poucin

Another solution :

 1.e4 was already lost for white as u can see.

xartesit03

@poucin  Wow I am glad to hear the advice of an international master! I have never considered, but I will try it next time I can!

LethalRook_1892
Lol.
camter

Your first game is the Wilkes Barre Variation, played by that Club in correspondence games in the 20's and 30's of the century not long past,  and is very complicated.

Czech masters, Traxler around 1890, and Rihlicek around 1950, analysed it deeply. 

There is another way of handling it as here:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5.Bxf7+  Ke7  

and it is in the opening explorer library here. It is called the Bishop Sacrifice line, and seems to be an attempt to avoid the Traxler, as most people call if nowadays. 
xartesit03

This is camter's bishop sacrifice line

Robhad

The problem with this defense is that 6. Kf1 and black has nothing.

camter

Thanks, xartesit03, for putting the diagram up. I have not quite mastered it.

There is on another site a very large vote chess game going on playing this line right now. I cannot name the site of course.

A few more moves have been played than what I put up, but we Black players are now playing to draw the game, as our experts are saying we have no chance of winning. 

xartesit03

just played a new variant of it 

 

xartesit03

analysis says i missed an even faster mate tho

Vercingetorix75

this is not the fried liver, by the way.

xartesit03

yes it is

Vercingetorix75
xartesit03 wrote:

yes it is

no, it isnt

Vercingetorix75

this is the fried liver:

 

Vercingetorix75

if black does not play 4...d5 then it is not the fried liver.

camter
Vercingetorix75 wrote:

if black does not play 4...d5 then it is not the fried liver.

Not so, I reckon. It comes after

1. e2-e4   e7-e5   

2. Ng1-f3  Nb8-c6  

3. Bf1-c4  Ng8-f6  

4. Nf3-g5  d7-d5   

5. e4xd5   Nf6xd5  

 
Vercingetorix75
camter wrote:
Vercingetorix75 wrote:

if black does not play 4...d5 then it is not the fried liver.

Not so, I reckon. It comes after

1. e2-e4   e7-e5   

2. Ng1-f3  Nb8-c6  

3. Bf1-c4  Ng8-f6  

4. Nf3-g5  d7-d5   

5. e4xd5   Nf6xd5  

 

In English, the word 'if' represents a necessary condition. It does not necessarily represent a sufficient condition. For example, if it is raining then the ground is wet. but if the ground is wet, we cannot assume it is raining. A double implication in English would be expressed with 'if and only if' or 'iff' in prepositional logic or '<--->' is symbolic logic.

 

4...d5 is a necessary condition to get to the friend liver position, therefore if 4...d5 is not played, then it is not the fired liver.

Barefoot_Player

I agree with all postings describing the original post as not being a Fried Liver Attack. If one is attempting to showcase a game, even calling it "brilliant", and possibly even showing off his expertise and/or knowledge of an opening,  even then I would expect that person would know the name of the opening. Otherwise, he would, instead of showing off his brilliance, showing off his ignorance.

 

camter

The word if is iffy, it seems.