Tips against king's indian defense

Hey people i would like some help and advice on how to face the king's indian. My main accounts are 1400-1500. I know the general themes of queen-bishop battery, exchanging Black's dark square bishop and then h,g pawns go brrr🤣. I've tried the jobava london set up against KID with good results. What i need help is when I've started with d4,c4 what kind of path should i follow? Any help is welcome 

Against the KID when the centre is blocked exchanging the LSB is possibly an even more favourable strategic objective.

An idea that Botvinnik suggested long ago was wait for f5, then play exf5 and follow up with f4 so you get the dangerous g-pawn off and halt the f-pawn locking in the lsb. I've tried this and it actually works well, but I could almost feel my opponents were getting confused through the screen, a long wait to the next move and it didn't feel like I was gaining advantage properly as much as was just getting one through a trick, and it wasn't fun for them either, so in the end I just played the mainlines.

In the Mar del Plata with the g2, f3, e4, d5 pawn chain a lot revolves around what happens after black moves g4. Playing h3 at the right time and setting up the pieces to attack g4 and liquidate everything the moment it's played works well and white should have the better endgame, it's a very clean system that works well when done right.

The best response against the King's Indian Defense is the Bayonet Attack, which on highest level refutes it. This is the game that caused Kasparov to abandon the King's Indian Defense:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1070932

@Uhohspaghettio1

I feel like in the mar del Plata white castles directly in Black's attack, with counterplay only pushing pawns in the queenside but maybe I'm wrong. Either way I'll give it a try as it seems really sharp. I was thinking something like queen-bishop battery, playing f3 to prevent knight jumping on g4 and start king side pawn storm (forget the variation name right now). What do you think

@tygxc

Can't say i really liked or disliked this variation you showed. And i don't really care about engine refutation as I'm not an engine nor I'm playing GMs. My question was more about a solid variation for below 2000 level.

@5

"a solid variation for below 2000 level"
++ A solid variation is solid on any level.
A non-solid variation may work below some level.

Petrosian Variation my type of variation against KID ngl

There have been solutions found for Black since this game from 27 years ago

That game put the KID at the top level under a cloud for maybe 5 years. Solutions have since been found and the KID is still played at the GM Level today.

Now-a-days, 9.Ne1 Nd7 10.Bd3 f5 11.f3 f4 12.Bf2 g5 13.Rc1 followed by the pawn sacrifice is more dangerous than the Bayonet.

@8

"Solutions have since been found"
++ What solutions? Here are two failures in ICCF

https://www.iccf.com/game?id=948179

https://www.iccf.com/game?id=948250

Play the 6.Bg5 Averbakh variation of the mainline and don't shy away from castling queenside to launch an early kingside pawn advancement with the g and h pawns. Naroditsky uploaded an instructive game he played during his speedrun wherein he speaks about the key themes. it's an aggressive and tricky response thst very few KID players know how to set up against.

it should win you a few gamea.

The Averbakh and Neo-Averbakh (bishop goes to e3 instead of g5) are lines which give Black quite a few things to think about. The white king is not committed early, and the usual remedy involving ...c5 rather than ...e5 results in typical Benoni stuctures where it's not so easy for Black to get his usual counterplay.

Thanks a lot for the averbakh and neo-averbakh recommendations. They seem nice and i got a nice game already 🙂

the Averbahk variation and the Saemich endgames I think are the hardest for black.

The greatest King's Indian player Kasparov gave it up because of the Bayonet attack.

针对国王印度防御的最佳回应是刺刀攻击，这在最高级别上反驳了国王的印度防御。这是导致卡斯帕罗夫放弃国王印度防御的比赛：

自从27年前的这场比赛以来，黑棋已经找到了解决方案

那场比赛让 KID 的巅峰状态持续了 5 年之久。此后我们找到了解决方案，并且至今 KID 仍在 GM 级别上进行。

如今，9.Ne1 Nd7 10.Bd3 f5 f4 12.Bf2 g5 13.Rc1 后面的典当牺牲比刺刀更危险。

Your analysis makes me feel that you are a very good chess player.

@chessterd5

Yeah that was the variation i was looking the saemisch

@play4fun64

So in the bayonet attack white castles short and plays for a queenside initiative?

Yes.

I like "Kramer vs. K.I.D.":

https://www.chess.com/openings/Kings-Indian-Defense-Kramer-Variation

Because you can potentially sac. a bishop or knight on two pawns - h and g. (on the h5 square)

Ng3, Be2, h2-h4, Black plays h7-h5 to prevent you from playing h4-h5, and then 'bam'.

@A_Proud_Zionist

It seems interesting. It's a more positional approach from the games i saw in your link although you speak about sacrifices. Anyway thanks 🙏 I'll check it out