Trap in the Queen's Gambit

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MidnasLament

Have you seen this before?  Not the typical Queen's Gambit Trap but I stumbled on it while analyzing a game and now I see people fall into this time and time again.

 

https://www.chess.com/blog/MidnasLament/chess-trap-4-hand-caught-in-the-cookie-jar-queen-s-gambit

 

-Stacia

Bishop_g5

Well, Qxd5 is not the popular recapture but people who play like this tend to fall into traps too, so i agree with you. The poisoned b pawns have a special place in chess literature and there are several occasions similar to this in Sicilians, French, Trompowsky-London e.t.c....the whole Englund defence its a chapter of greediness capturing with the Queen a poisoned b pawn regardless if the Queen isn't get trapped black loses the game. 

If you continue your research for the poisoned b pawns, you will find many examples with some more complex and cute traps to share with us.

 

MidnasLament

Thanks for your insights!  I've seen the Sicilian and French ones now that you mention it but I'd be really interested to see the London variation of this for sure since I play the black side of that.

 

Yeah, I have the benefit of being a 1300 blitz player so I see Qxd5 a lot in blitz games.  Doubt I'd see it OTB but then people don't seem to fall into traps that much OTB anyways?  or do they?  What's your experience?

Bishop_g5

 

 

 It depends mostly on the level of play and previous experience. Usually, B and C class players fall into traps OTB, perhaps not so early in the opening stage at move 4 or 6 but if they are not familiar with the opening, then they might do.

MidnasLament

Hi PieceOfPoo, (nice name..haha)  I only play trap lines that are also good positions.   So that way I have a good position and ideas on how to proceed with the additional chance that my opponent may lose their way and fall into something.  I have one in the Slav Exchange that I see quite often even OTB!  But mostly I agree with you.. if trap lines are relying on the trap working then why go for it?  That's hope chess.  But you have to admit traps are fun (esp in blitz)!  happy.png

MidnasLament
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MidnasLament

Thanks Bishop_g5 for showing me that!  I'm on the black side of that position so I think i'll be avoiding Qxb2!

MidnasLament

Did you even look at the line?  All of whites moves are computer approved!  If you see one bad move by white let me know and I will no longer play it.

 

Black is the one that has to go astray for the trap but this helps me know what to do if they get too greedy.  happy.png

Pulpofeira

Wow!

poucin
MidnasLament a écrit :

Have you seen this before?  Not the typical Queen's Gambit Trap but I stumbled on it while analyzing a game and now I see people fall into this time and time again.

 

https://www.chess.com/blog/MidnasLament/chess-trap-4-hand-caught-in-the-cookie-jar-queen-s-gambit

 

-Stacia

This is not a trap.

Just bad moves by black (2...Nf6, 3...Qxd5, etc...)

It's like telling 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f6 3.Nxe5 is a trap : it is simply a refutation of black's bad play.

MidnasLament
PieceOfPoo wrote:

There will be people trying to memorize this combination of moves, just to never really see it in any of their games ever.  All they need to do to see these moves is to see the obvious action on the board, it doesn't take a genius to see if your opponent is playing badly to take advantage of his foolish play.  Most people would chase the queen around anyway, seeing that it is in play so soon.  Common sense.  

 

Okay, well I did memorize these moves and have won multiple blitz games due to it.  And in the ones black didn't fall for this line, I still had a nice position with a good game.  So I'm not sure what your point is?

MidnasLament

Okay, I agree with that and certainly that is what I focus on in my studies, but surely its ok to have fun once in awhile?  happy.png  My tactics still need work so I actually think I can learn ideas from these traps or am I off base and they are truly just a complete waste?

 

I've been playing for only 2 years so I think due to that there are many, many basic chess patterns I don't know yet.  Maybe this is way to see some in addition to real studying?

 

And I do value learning so thank you ivanmlerner and pieceofpoo too; I will prioritize actual improvement and only do silly things like memorize traps when I'm bored or tired or something..hehe

MidnasLament
PieceOfPoo wrote:

My point is. It's not a trap, and is pointless to memorize those lines if you have good tactical vision. Now tell me I'm wrong Ms. 1300 Grandmaster.

 

I don't have good tactical vision though so maybe that's the problem..haha  And that's Ms. 1550 Grandmaster to you!  

 

But in all seriousness, thanks for your comments.  I think traps are fun, but I probably have to agree there is very little or no value to spending any real time on them.

MidnasLament

ahh ok well it sounds like it was part of your chess development then?  happy.png  

 

I mean I agree this trap can only be used against novices as well, but I like that it shows how risky taking that hanging b pawn can be!  I even go into lines sometimes now where I give up the b pawn not for a trap but for development, but you get development in this one too so yeah there's a trap set but i think its just a good way to play for white anyway?  Do you think so or no?  

 

I've heard of the fishing pole trap, but I don't recall it exactly.  I probably should play e4 so I can learn all these basic tricks.. they would probably work on me still.  lol

MidnasLament

Ok thanks!  I will do that.  

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