Two Knights Defence. Nc3

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Kentering

 I guess white is not in a bad position here. Why does everybody tell that Nc3 is not good?

TonightOnly

I see no problem at all with 6.Bd3 dxe4  7.Bxe4. This might not offer as much of a chance of advantage as other choices, but it is easy to understand and recommendable for beginners.

Kentering
cuendillar wrote:

In this variation, because of 7...Qd5! after which white's position look pretty grim. 8.Nxc6 Qxb5 9.Nd4 Qg5 where black has the bishop pair och white loses his ability to castle. 8.Bxc6+ bxc6 9.d4 Ba6 also makes castling difficult while black can develop easily (and yet again hold the bishop pair).


And when takes Knight with check? And after that takes the Bishop with check?

dsachs

I play Two Knights, but not this variation. Usually when I play it I hope someone hits me with FLA, then the fun begins.

KillaBeez

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the original poster's question rich.

TheOldReb

Thats not the tromp Rich, look it up. I already told you this before, why are you so hard headed?

KillaBeez

Because he likes to be right.  For example, in a debate I could state over and over that the moon is made of cheese.  This is not true regardless of my opinion.  Rich seems to think that everything he says is true and that people are simply ignorant if they ignore him.

Spiffe

I keep seeing this 4.Nc3, like four times in the past month between Online & Live chess.  I would have thought there was some sexy new analysis that was recommending it, except that everyone seemed pretty befuddled by the obvious 4...Nxe4 response.

I don't think the line is completely disastrous for white after 6.Bd3, but it gives black the initiative and easy equality for no reason or benefit.  If you're not interested in the murky 4.Ng5 lines, I think you're better off playing the Max Lange attack with 4.d4.

KillaBeez

Or playing d3 with c3 to come with a modern positional game.

Ray_Brooks
rich wrote:

It is a form of the Trompowsky but it has a name before the Trompowsky part, I just can't remember it right now, that's why I put something Trompowsky.


Rich,

so you admit you don't know what you are talking about (off topic as it is), but you thought it was still good enough to waste our time, anyway! Way to go rich!

 

ON TOPIC:

5 0-0 with a lead in development and a fine game.

 

EDIT: Just took a look through game Explorer, and it seems that the position after 4....Nxe4 is not so good for White, after all. Anyway, what's wrong with playing 4. Ng5 (lots of fun) or 4. d4 (maybe objectively best)?

maximus_dragon

white loses the pawn like that but Bxf7 with mantian equallity after Nxe4

D_Blackwell

4. Nc3 wouldn't be my first choice, but is playable if you see the gambit through (Boden-Kieseritzky Gambit) 4. ...Nxe4  5. O-O.  Black still has an advantage if prepared.


How can someboby with 11,000+ posts not know the Queen's Bishop Attack?  Is that like a joke?  1. d4 Nf6  2. Bg5 is Trompowski.