what are black option for d4 opening

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VainSang

What are the options for black when white begins with queen pawn? I know some players does Nf6 and others d5. I choose the firth case but I' not sure on the folowing

StaviAvi

Try out the chigorin defense if you see a queen's gambit. Its extremely fun to play and your opponent will definately be out of book.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 nc6

chessman82

you could also go with e6, which I rarely use, or g6. Nf6 and d5 are the most common responses to d4 and pretty safe to use too.

Nytik
rich wrote:

Try the french defence e6.


1. d4 e6 is known as the Horwitz Defence, not the French Defence. Smile

VainSang

thank you for your comments. But as I said I played Nf6 and would like to know the folowing you advice me to do.

Nytik

Looks like everyone is still ignoring you, VainSang. (To be fair, that first post was a little ambiguous.)

There are several follow-ups to 1... Nf6. Usually, white will continue 2. c4, and then 3. Nc3 and perhaps a fianchetto on the kingside, although this isn't his only option- there is the London System, for example.

But lets say that the game has gone 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4- what are your options? The first one is 2... e6, but this gives way to a whole host of openings for white and is therefore probably a little too theory intensive. (If you DO feel like you want to follow that line, openings that arise include the Catalan Opening, Nimzo-Indian Defence, Queens Indian Defence and the Bogo-Indian Defence.)

One that has a clearly defined opening strategy (and so you won't have to learn any lines) is 2... g6, the King's Indian Defence. Here, you fianchetto your bishop on g7, and generally you will play moves like d6 and Nd7, preparing a central break with a move like e5. In such lines, black is often cramped for a good portion of the game, which turns a lot of people away from the opening.

The Benoni Defence goes 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5. Black gets a lot of piece activity, but you must be careful not to play too passively, or white will be able to consolidate on his advantage gained by the pawn 'wedge' c4-d5. A relatively new method to get rid of this 'wedge' is the Benko Gambit, which (from the mainline) continues 3... b5. Black sacrifices a pawn for faster development and a flank attack utilising the a- and b- files.

There are plenty of options out there, but make sure whichever one you choose, you are comfortable with it.

VainSang

Thank to all

 

Nytik understood what I tried to say.

I play with Black. My oponent began with d4 and I played Nf6.

so 1. d4 Nf6

Now I ask you for advices.

Spiffe

The answer to your question is too comprehensive to be covered by a forum post, VainSang, though Nytik's introduction is a good one.  I would advise becoming familiar with the different options -- you can find a lot of information at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Opening_theory_in_chess/1._d4

As far as advice on what opening to choose... I would recommend the Nimzo-Indian (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4)/Queen's Indian (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6) to a player of your level & experience.

lubaza

Nobody has mentioned the dutch defence, 1. d4 f5. One of my favourites.

TheOldReb
ouachita wrote:
VainSang wrote:

What are the options for black when white begins with queen pawn? I know some players does Nf6 and others d5. I choose the firth case but I' not sure on the folowing


Black's best chances against d4 begin with d5. As I have said here in the past, you'll win a lot more games as black if you master the d4-d5 openings.


 I disagree with this since the nimzo-indian scores better against 1d4 than any of the 1....d5 openings do.

TheOldReb
446919 wrote:

You can't rely on statistics for everything and I beleive the meran scores better than th nimzo. I do agree that the indian defences are just as good as ...1 d5


 We cant rely on statistics but we can rely on our "belief" ?  Hmmmmmmm  Chess Assistant gives nimzo-indian scoring 48% for black based on more than 40,000 games ( 2 million + database ) . To my knowledge the only opening that scores better than 48% for black (with thousands of games played) is the sicilian. What do you base your "beliefs" on ?

marvellosity

Indeed Reb. You can't rely on statistics for everything, but when we're talking about statistical results, relying on statistics does seem at least slightly sensible.

TheOldReb

Here I am cheering for the nimzo and its not even in my repertoire, maybe I should add it eh ?

TheOldReb
446919 wrote:

But you cant say that the nimzo is a better opening than the meran system of the semi-slav now can you?


 I can say that , according to chess assistant, it scores better at 48%, no other black opening does this well against 1 d4. If we can't go on statistics then what criteria shall we use ? If I go by feelings/beliefs ( as you earlier did ) I would say yes, based on my own personal games/experience in otb play because the nimzo gives me much more difficulty than variations of the slav do.