The Sicilian. Haw haw. I like playing the Black side of the Evans Gambit on the rare occasions I play ... e5 though. Or Nf6 in the Ruy.
What are your favorate lines AGAINST ruy and italian?
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against ruy lopez i like knight to d4, i know its bad and i shouldnt play it but against most people you get some play and its quite fun. against italian 2 knights defense or some symmetrical stuff.
no no wait i really like the zaitsev even though i probably misplayed it every time. its probably because i can´t think positional but for a patzer like me the zaitsev makes the most sense. Most of spanish lines with black i just dont understand, the zaitsev just looks so natural.
open spanish and 2 knights defense
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I like to play the Marshall attack as Black against the Ruy Lopez, but White has lots of forced draws, which is why I gave up on starting to analyze the Schliemann...
Against the Italian I play the Two Knight's Defense, meeting 4.d3 with 4...Bc5 followed by castling and throwing d5 out.
What an interesting group we have here. 3 players who like the zaitsev lol? interesting. Everyone opts for 2 knights defence but no one wants to talk about 4.Ng5 lol and the hungarian i dont see me using. I believe hungarian is 3...Be7 right? i dont see the point of it, its just more passive than the other two moves.
Mar 16, 2013
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That's because 4.Ng5 isn't that popular, nor is it particularly worrisome for Black.
Mar 16, 2013
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chessteenager wrote:
What an interesting group we have here. 3 players who like the zaitsev lol? interesting. Everyone opts for 2 knights defence but no one wants to talk about 4.Ng5 lol and the hungarian i dont see me using. I believe hungarian is 3...Be7 right? i dont see the point of it, its just more passive than the other two moves.
The Hungarian has its points and can lead directly into the Two Knights Defense after 4.d3 Nf6.
White sometimes plays 4.d4 exd4 5.c3 hoping for 5...dxc3? 6.Qd5 but after 5...Na5 I think Black is fine.
I dont play ..e5 but i like the look of the Breyer and Zaitsev.
The Breyer is very logical imo.
Out of the closed Ruy's i like the breyer as well but i want an opening as black with Ruy where there arent so many deviations at the beggining. I think breyer starts at 9... if im not mistaken.
4.Ng5 is played A LOT when your my rating. I dont understand how its not troublesome. Do you opt for the pawn sac or the traxler
Good advice: don't respond ...e5 unless ready to face the KG, Vienna, BO and a plethora of other openings that come after 2.Nf3.
ive studied up on my lines dont worry about that i am ready for kings gambit, vienna, bishops opening, and as for the plethora ( danish, centre game, etc)
after 2.Nf3 im ready for ponziani, scotch, scotch 4 knights, four knights
Just stuck on Italian and Ruy but i love the 1...e5 positions
@chessteenager: get the books called "spanish repertoire for black" and "beating the open games" both by "mihail marin" they're a complete 1.e5 repertoire for black
you can get both in pdf format online
chessteenager wrote:
Out of the closed Ruy's i like the breyer as well but i want an opening as black with Ruy where there arent so many deviations at the beggining. I think breyer starts at 9... if im not mistaken.
4.Ng5 is played A LOT when your my rating. I dont understand how its not troublesome. Do you opt for the pawn sac or the traxler
I don't see how 4.Ng5 is that troublesome. To be honest, I stopped playing the line because white really cannot make any headway.
4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 (6...Bd7 is also possible) 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Be2 h6 9.Nf3 e4 10.Ne5 Bc5 11.c3 is really not desirable when my knight cannot develop to c3 and b3 is no longer an option to fianchetto the bishop.
4.d4 exd4 5.e5 is another beast though and quite a difficult variation to master (5.0-0 can be met by 5...Nxe4 which equalizes).
As to the Ruy Lopez, just follow sound opening principles and look at GM games. Most players at the lower levels will not go into something like the Marshall Gambit and will likely deviate early. Understanding how to take advantage of this is really all you need to know.
but i still like the bishop d3 line of ng5 variation for white. Interestingly until today i never heard about hungarian defense, might give it a shot one day
I think that had its punt and it really hasn't lived up to its reputation. I would much rather play 8.Be2 then be stuck with doubled d pawns in the critical variation of 8.Bd3. Even 8.Qf3 I think is superior.
As to the Hungarian Defense, I am always delighted to see it as white as black is basically telling me that they are willing to accept a disadvantage for a solid albeit passive position that I can press for the rest of the game. But it certainly leaves a much better impression than something like 3...h6.
Conquistador wrote:
I think that had its punt and it really hasn't lived up to its reputation. I would much rather play 8.Be2 then be stuck with doubled d pawns in the critical variation of 8.Bd3. Even 8.Qf3 I think is superior.
As to the Hungarian Defense, I am always delighted to see it as white as black is basically telling me that they are willing to accept a disadvantage for a solid albeit passive position that I can press for the rest of the game. But it certainly leaves a much better impression than something like 3...h6.
yeah i know short came up with queen f3, actually i cant remember the crucial variation of bishop d3 right now, but for my taste bishop e2 gives black too much pressure and in my uneducated opinion is the weakest of the moves. Anyway from all lines i like bishop d3 best.
Against the Ruy there's the Modern (Deferred) Steinitz: 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 d6. There's a book on it from just a couple of years ago "Slay the Spanish" but it is full of some other crap recommendations (4...bxc6 vs. the Exchange) so read it critically. Typically there are two ways to play this line, one being in solid fashion, with the follow up typically being ...Bd7 followed by a kingside fianchetto. But then there are active lines including 5. 0-0 Bg4 and 5. c3 f5. So you get plenty of choice even after playing 4...d6 and it has the advantage of being relatively surprising compared to main lines.
What are your favorate lines as black against the Ruy lopez and Italian?