What do you think is the best opening for black after e4?

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BigTy
blake78613 wrote:

   Over the board psychology plays a part, and by playing a half-open defense you are telling your opponent we will play my opening.


Nonsense. Both players play an equal role in deciding the opening. White can take black into his pet lines just as easily in the sicilian or french as in double king pawn openings. White can play "half open" positions after 1...e5, and he can also pry the position open against the sicilian and french. Oh, and the sicilian usually takes more work than 1...e5 to play successfully because the moves are less natural, meaning that they are tougher to find over the board and because of that, a greater number of them should be memorized. Also, one slip in the open sicilian by black often leads to a lost position, whereas after 1...e5 there is more room for forgiveness.

Check_please
lbtr74aao wrote:

King's Pawn  1.e4

White's aggressive opening move opens lines for the queen and king's bishop and fights for control of the squares d5 and f5. 1. e4 is the most traditional of White's first moves, is popular at all levels of the game and is the favoured opening move of world champions Bobby Fischer and Anatoly Karpov, Fischer calling it 'best by test'. Openings with 1. e4 tend to emphasize violent tactics over slow maneuvering.

At this point Black must decide how to face White's aggression. With a pawn on e4 White's simplest plan is to play d4 on the next move, giving himself a strong 'classical' centre, so the most aggressive replies by Black challenge White's control of d4.

1...e5 challenges it directly, establishing an equal share of the centre though allowing White to maintain for longer the initiative conferred by having the first move. 1...c5 creates an unbalanced position of attack and counter-attack and is the more popular move. 1...Nc6 is playable but does not prevent d4 since the knight cannot take the pawn without the queen recapturing.

Alternatively, Black may challenge White's central control by targeting the newly arrived e4 pawn, either with

1...d5, with a likely exchange of central pawns leading to a wide-open game in which minor piece placement is crucial, or with 1...Nf6 inviting White to build a large centre that may later be attacked. 1...f5 Fred defence, is a very poor move since the attacking pawn is left en prise.

Other first moves by Black allow White to place pawns on e4 and d4, with Black giving up a spatial disadvantage in order to prepare a counterattack.

1...e6, French defence, a popular move. Black follows up with d5. The main disadvantage of this opening is that Black's light-squared bishop becomes blocked behind his pawns 1...c6 also prepares d5, but without blocking the bishop. 1...d6 and 1...g6 are related moves - where one is played, the other usually follows soon. The aim is to set up a solid but dynamic formation with Bg7 and usually Nf6 before deciding how to fight for the center. 1...b6 is occasionally played but allows White to attack quickly.

While the late English GM Tony Miles beat the then world champion Anatoly Karpov in a famous game with

1...a6 neglects the centre and is not recommended to anyone less skilled than Tony Miles.

Rarely played moves by Black include

1...a5, is also not recommended, as it weakens Black's position. 1...Na6, Lemming Defence, which is too passive. 1...Nh6, Adams Defence, which is also too passive. 1...h6, Carr Defence, which wastes time and weakens Black's kingside. 1...h5, Pickering Defence, which does not help development. 1...g5, Borg Defence 1...f6, Barnes Defence, weakens the Black king. 1...b5, Polish Gambit, unsound because 2. Bxb5 gives White a free pawn.

Approximately chances: White win 39%, Draw 29%, Black win 32%
Estimated next move popularity: c5 41%, e5 25%, e6 13%, c6 7%, d6 4%, d5 4%, g6 3%, Nf6 2%, Nc6 0.5%, other moves less than 0.5%


 

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While the late English GM Tony Miles beat the then world champion Anatoly Karpov in a famous game with

  • 1...a6 neglects the centre and is not recommended to anyone less skilled than Tony Miles.    "

I am a scholar and great fan of the late Tony Miles and Micheal Basman. Reading comments like this makes me feel someone should be educated before making loose comments.

Last season I have studied and played the St George defence with black OTB and got great results. for both main variations and they move order difference of each. Understanding such an opening is key and both chess players , Miles and Basman have that understanding.

there are times when the best you get is an equal position, but in my experience , I would still have 20 to 30 minutes on my opponent because it is such a dangerous position. Then going in an endgame you have a big plus.

Yes, you give up the center , as in no pawns and flank white, however,  white cannot press-on without giving away dangerous attacking lines,  and that is where the strength lies. if white goes into defence mode and tries to save the center,  that is where you can get some development speed back and get some pressure on that center that white so vigorously tries to save .   (  the center is NOT the target)

in light of the subject of this thread,  I would say  1... a6

 

 

 

 

 


GIex

The best one is the one that the opponent is least familiar or least comfortable with.

I used to play the Sicillian once, but I dropped it. Now I usually play the Caro-Kann, because it is very solid, it lets Black take the initiative (if he/she wants to), and it aslo gives Black good endgame positions. The other one I use is the Alekhine, because it is aggressive and gives White less options to play than some other defenses.

It all depends on your style. If you know your opponent, you can choose a defense he/she doesn't like, but in online chess you usually don't know that. So choose the one that suits your style best.

GIex

Style is a matter of personality. Noone has become "established" without having something specific for him to establish. Neglecting your style can lead you only to regression, and at its best it can be no more than a repetition of something or someone else. Chess is a competitive game, and if you have nothing yours to oppose to your opponents, you needn't play chess at all (at least not against other players).

KyleMayhugh

The problem is, a lot of players decide what they want their style to be and try to cram their games into it, ignoring the fact that they may in fact be better in a different style.

GIex

That's why they shouldn't stick with certain openings only because they are played often or are considered to be good. Statistics are correct about a multitude of players, but they can't apply to a single individual. One should aim to find his own strengths and weaknesses, because it is the way of thinking that leads to a win, not the move sequence itself.

WhereDoesTheHorseGo
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vowles_23

Play them all until you find which one you like best.

milestogo2

Dear administrators:  Please close comments on this thread you are wasting a lot of bytes !

GIex

So many people have shared their opinions about openings and are interested in the topic. It's always interesting to hear someone else's ideas. (Even if they're about closing the tread Laughing )

owsifiso
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MountainGorilla
KyleMayhugh wrote:

The problem is, a lot of players decide what they want their style to be and try to cram their games into it, ignoring the fact that they may in fact be better in a different style.


Why is that a problem?  Wouldn't they be happier playing games in the style they decided they'd like than they would be scoring a little bit better in games that bore them silly?

mellimancer

My preference is (black moves) g6, Bg7, d6, Nf6, 0-0, Nd7, e5, Re8 and white does what ever.

KyleMayhugh
MountainGorilla wrote:
KyleMayhugh wrote:

The problem is, a lot of players decide what they want their style to be and try to cram their games into it, ignoring the fact that they may in fact be better in a different style.


Why is that a problem?  Wouldn't they be happier playing games in the style they decided they'd like than they would be scoring a little bit better in games that bore them silly?


Because they don't really know because they've never tried.

GIex
Fooliot wrote:

My preference is (black moves) g6, Bg7, d6, Nf6, 0-0, Nd7, e5, Re8 and white does what ever.


That's Modern Defense. I like it very much too and I used to play it often before I became a fan of the Caro-Kann.

Here's a game I played it:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/modern-defense

ozzie_c_cobblepot
My exclusive answer to 1.e4 has been 1...c6. I play the Caro for a win, it's just not always obvious from the outset.
karangtarunasemarang

thanks...

kevinsmithstudio

I think it depends on the style of game you want to have.  c5 for example often leads to major counter attack with white attacking the king on the king side while black attacks the white king on the queen side.  These double edged attacks are fun but not for the faint of heart.  The whole game can hinge on one move! e6 is good if you like a long positional type of game!  

Arctor
Fooliot wrote:

My preference is (black moves) g6, Bg7, d6, Nf6, 0-0, Nd7, e5, Re8 and white does what ever.


 White doing "whatever" of course could mean playing c4 and steering the game into a King's Indian....just something you should be aware of if you're playing those moves in an attempt to stay away from heavily theoretical openings

benonidoni

najdorf, najdorf, and some more najdorf.