What do you think of the Sicilian?

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k_kostov

It's like any other opening - depends on which player has better preparation.

JJZ03

Music_or_Misery wrote:

White is winning.

With His Lead in Development? If He can Create an Attack, Before Black Finish Development, and Launches His Attack, yes, White is Winning.

(How do I Know Blacks a he, not a she?)

e4wins

The Sicilian is counterplay against a forced win.

D_for_DJ
veYouSoMuch wrote:

l fas white: OMG i am structurally inferior
as black: OMG i am going to get mated

LMFAO

BishopCannons

The Sicilian Defense is the most potent response to 1.e4 and has the highest winning percentages against white.

Ziryab
e4wins wrote:

The Sicilian is counterplay against a forced win.

!!

I'm stealing this witticism.

ThrillerFan

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

Likhit1
ThrillerFan wrote:

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

Seriously?

Ziryab
ThrillerFan wrote:

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

1.e4?! c5!?

Let's be a little more precise in our evaluation.

1.e4?! e6!!=

Aarnos

"

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

"

Ziryab

That's a hook. It may hold bait. Alternately, one may wrap fur and feathers and thread on it to create a lure that is not bait. For instance:




Or, does "this" refer to the fish in the image? 

Aarnos

"This" refers to the post by Thrillerfan. As in the post is bait.

Aarnos

On a more serious note, a tierlist of defenses to e4

God tier

1. ... c5

1. ... e5

Good tier

1. ... e6

1. ... c6

OK tier

1. ... d5

oh god what are you doing -tier

1. ... d6

1. ... g6

1. ... Nf6

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everything else

ThrillerFan
Ziryab wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

1.e4?! c5!?

Let's be a little more precise in our evaluation.

1.e4?! e6!!=

Let's clarify why e4 is dubious at best:

1.e4?! c5!? = (Why blow the advantage though?)

1.e4?! e6? 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 +/=

1.e4?! c6! =/+

1.e4?! e5! =/+

1.e4?! d6!? 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6? (3...c6=) 4.f4 +/=

1.e4?! d5? +/=

1.e4?! Nf6?? 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 +-

1.e4?! g6!? 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 and now 3...d6 and 3...c5 are both =.

Aarnos
ThrillerFan wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:

1.e4?  (Advantage Black)

1...c5?  (Equal Game)

1.e4?! c5!?

Let's be a little more precise in our evaluation.

1.e4?! e6!!=

Let's clarify why e4 is dubious at best:

1.e4?! c5!? = (Why blow the advantage though?)

1.e4?! e6? 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 +/=

1.e4?! c6! =/+

1.e4?! e5! =/+

1.e4?! d6!? 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6? (3...c6=) 4.f4 +/=

1.e4?! d5? +/=

1.e4?! Nf6?? 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 +-

1.e4?! g6!? 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 and now 3...d6 and 3...c5 are both =.

ThrillerFan

And Aarnos is a fish!

Aarnos
ThrillerFan wrote:

And Aarnos is a fish!

One, two, three or four moves with arbitrary evaluation isn't convincing. TWENTY(15 for lesser used openings, 25 for highly theoretical openings) moves with subvariations and proper evaluations is convincing. If you can produce that and reach the same conclusion without the analysis having holes in it I'll be the first to apologize.

chrka

Strange noone has remarked that you should never go in against it when death is on the line…

JJZ03

Frankenstein_o_0 wrote:

I think sicilian defense is just overrated. No doubt it has the highest winning % among GMs and strong, experienced players. Clearly, its the best response to e4, if you calculate positional values with numbers.

But weak Sicilian defenders without proper positional chess skills who think c5 is an invincible move should be crushed like termites with Morra gambit esp. on rapid chess. :P

A strong response to e4 doesnt give easy winning chances. If one cannot defend the Morra gambit and Morphy gambit accurately, then Sicilian defense is clearly not his/her best response to e4...

My best response to e4 is e5.

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I was just trying to say, how I love Morra gambit..!

Its fun! Its unsound, but I cant stop touching my d2 pawn after black's c5... ;P

e4 c5

d4 cxd4

c3 ...

I Thought you were going to talk about Blacks Development Disadvantage, c5 does nothing to help Blacks Development.

JJZ03

My Goodness, This topic Blew up.