What I should play against Scotch?

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Chahmatistick

Hello Everyone! When I played few games, sometimes my opponents played The Scotch Game. But how do I play against it? (Example below).

GodsPawn2016
Samurai-X

3 ... exd4 and 4 ... Qh4. This 4th move is Steinitz's move. It has the highest win % for Black in my database and it will confuse your opponent. At your level, it will mean easy wins. You are welcome!

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advancededitingtool1

you may find easier to live yours, life, who knows

majahitterking
Chahmatistick wrote:

Hello Everyone! When I played few games, sometimes my opponents played The Scotch Game. But how do I play against it? (Example below).

 

What are some challenges you feel against this opening?

SilentKnighte5
Samurai-X wrote:

3 ... exd4 and 4 ... Qh4. This 4th move is Steinitz's move. It has the highest win % for Black in my database and it will confuse your opponent. At your level, it will mean easy wins. You are welcome!

White wins 50% of games after Nc3.  That's not a great win% for Black.

Samurai-X
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
Samurai-X wrote:

3 ... exd4 and 4 ... Qh4. This 4th move is Steinitz's move. It has the highest win % for Black in my database and it will confuse your opponent. At your level, it will mean easy wins. You are welcome!

White wins 50% of games after Nc3.  That's not a great win% for Black.

Among 4th Black moves, statisticially 4 ... Qh4 is best for Black at 38.6%. 4 ... Bc5 and 4 ... Nf6 are at 31.3% and 29.9%, respectively. (365database)

Correct me if I'm wrong. 

BlargDragon
Morphysrevenges wrote:

just drink scotch while you play and it will all be good.

Each ounce reduces how much I care about winning or losing by about 80%. So, three ounces in, there's a 0.8% chance I'm still trying. I'm a lightweight, though, so your results may be different.

Strangemover

New bottle of Hibiki 12 getting opened this afternoon :-) although it's Japanese not Scottish so technically it's not Scotch. I don't play the Scotch anyway.

Image result for hibiki 12

Chahmatistick
majahitterking написал:
Chahmatistick wrote:

Hello Everyone! When I played few games, sometimes my opponents played The Scotch Game. But how do I play against it? (Example below).

 

What are some challenges you feel against this opening?

When I didn't posted this post, I didn't know how do I need to play against this opening. I will show you one game I played yesterday:

I'm feeling challenges in this opening like:

  • En passant tricks
  • When my opponent gaining tempo
advancededitingtool1

Really? The next step is to find an engine or any other patzer for that matter suggesting anything else other than 4.d5.

poucin

the best way to play opening is to follow opening principles...

Thus first, develop your pieces, and try to castle. The idea too is to fight for centre control, and then we arrived to many systems, but for me, the logical set up would be :

U can try other moves, 4...Nf6 also is a big line which follows general principles. There are other variations, like this Qh4 which is very risky..., and 4...Bb4+ is an interesting try to provoke c3 then removing c3 sqaure for the Nb1. About Bc5 variation i gave, u can notice that provking c3 created a problem for white : he cannot develop Nb1 on its best square, c3.
We could add many comments about this, but once again, just play logical and follow principles. Then later, maybe u could try something else but really, this is a main variation for good reasons as i explained...
poucin

@ Chahmatistick :

I wonder what u plan on 5.Bc4 instead of Bd3 in your variation. It prevents d5 and creates big threats (Qd5 or Bxf7)...

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pfren wrote:
Chahmatistick wrote:
majahitterking написал:
Chahmatistick wrote:

Hello Everyone! When I played few games, sometimes my opponents played The Scotch Game. But how do I play against it? (Example below).

 

What are some challenges you feel against this opening?

When I didn't posted this post, I didn't know how do I need to play against this opening. I will show you one game I played yesterday:

 

I'm feeling challenges in this opening like:

En passant tricks When my opponent gaining tempo

Another big challenge would be pieces moving backwards, like say 6...Nxd6 when you don't donate a knight to your opponent.

Well... at this level, you should forget about openings, and get to them after quite some time.

You don't say so, and your level is? Never heard of it. So basically a patzer is not allowed to suggest a new move, not to say that even if he has no idea what he is talking about but he might as well be right on the occasion, call it an intuitive guess, he is not allowed to speak up. Nice. What the fuck is this?

eaguiraud

In Chahmatisticks he really gave away a knight, black is totally lost at move 7

eaguiraud

eaguiraud wrote:

In Chahmatisticks he really gave away a knight, black is totally lost at move 7

in Chahmatisticks game* (can't edit comments on mobile app)

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BigManArkhangelsk
advancededitingtool1

Again, I'm not playing 1.e4, but, by just following some basic chess principles 5. Bb5 followed by 0-0 comes to mind.