What is the best opening move according to engines?

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rock303

What is the best opening move according to engines?

EDIT: Seriously, no troll posts please

st0ckfish

a3

TitanChess666
1_a31-0 wrote:

a3

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TitanChess666

e4 is the best

st0ckfish
TitanChess666 wrote:

e4 is the best

According to Bobby Fischer.....

"a3, best by test" wink.png

rock303

no, many engines prefer d4 or c4, also not just the first move but like whole opening

1g41-0

That's because of the Berlin.

drmrboss

Stockfish prefer 1. e4

Lco prefer 1. d4

 

Stockfish is a heavy tactical engine with little positional knowledge. 1. e4 usually leads to tactical games so it make sense Stockfish prefers mobility and tactics by 1. e4.

But Stockfish choice change over high depth.

According to my knowledge, SF choice are

1. e4 - shallow depth

2. d4- medium high depth

3. Nf3- very high depth( need hours of analysis)

4. c4 - extreme high depth ( months of analysis)

 

 

Lc0 is a heavy positional understanding Neural Network and she prefers positional play that usually occours by 1. d4

 

 

They two are top end two engines and they do win by their own strength.

1g41-0

@drmrboss, as far as I know, Lc0 most likely likes 1.d4 due to the Berlin. That's what AlphaZero preferred and I assume they both would play the same thing as they are both neural net engines.

drmrboss
1g41-0 wrote:

@drmrboss, as far as I know, Lc0 most likely likes 1.d4 due to the Berlin. That's what AlphaZero preferred and I assume they both would play the same thing as they are both neural net engines.

I agreed. Berlin is one of the main reason she dont like playing 1. e4. ( Too drawish in Berlin)

anon5101520

1g41-0
drmrboss wrote:
1g41-0 wrote:

@drmrboss, as far as I know, Lc0 most likely likes 1.d4 due to the Berlin. That's what AlphaZero preferred and I assume they both would play the same thing as they are both neural net engines.

I agreed. Berlin is one is main reason she dont like playing 1. e4. ( Too drawish in Berlin)

Not drawish, but objectively equal. Though it is drawish tongue.png

rock303

Also not just first moves, but like whole openings. Also, Komodo actually likes French as Black vs e4 and Nimzo vs 1 d4.

1g41-0

Have you analyzed it? Because it's well known that 3.Nc3 gives white an advantage against the French.

rock303

prove it

1g41-0

I don't need to. The fact that absolutely no top players play it at the moment speaks for itself. Even Anish  Giri said in an interview that "you should never play the French." Tell me how you're equalizing against the French and I'll be happy to prove everything to you. happy.png

1g41-0

Sorry, meant against 3.Nc3, not against the French.

rock303

ok let's take this to PMs

dax00

Leela thinks the French is garbage

dannyhume
Whatever Lyudmil says.