What is the best way to counter the Bishop's opening?

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Namesnipe

I played 3 blitz games in a row that started with the Bishop's opening and I got destroyed 2 times but managed to win one. It started with

Is there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?
IMKeto

The first thing you need to understand is that openings DO NOT determine your games. 

What did determine the outcomes of those games, and your other games?  BLUNDERS.

Follow opening principles, and double check your moves.

kindaspongey
IMBacon wrote:

The first thing you need to understand is that openings DO NOT determine your games. ...

Did Namesnipe say anything about openings determining games?

kindaspongey
Namesnipe wrote:

... It started with 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Qf3 d6 Is there any better way to play against Bishop's opening ...

I am only about 1500, but, for what it is worth, my instinct would be to go for 3...Bc5 .

kindaspongey
Namesnipe wrote:

I played 3 blitz games in a row that ...

"... Sure, fast games are fine for practicing openings (not the most important part of the game for most players) and possibly developing decent board vision and tactical 'shots', but the kind of thinking it takes to plan, evaluate, play long endgames, and find deep combinations is just not possible in quick chess. … for serious improvement ... consistently play many slow games to practice good thinking habits. ..." - NM Dan Heisman (2002)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627052239/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman16.pdf

ChessBoy513

The Bishop's Berlin (1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6) is the best way to counter it and there are many ways to counter that.

1)Vienna Transposition

2) Anti-Bishop's Berlin(Main Line)

3) Elephant Gambit with Colors Reversed

4) Latvian Gambit with colors reversed

5) Petrov Counterattack, Main Line

The 5 above are most sound, all others simply lose a pawn or get a bad/passive position.

kindaspongey
darwinwasright  wrote:

… It aint the opening that is causing your problem, it is your play.

Did Namesnipe claim, at some point, to have only one problem?

inkspirit
1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Qf3 Bc5 4. Ne2 O-O 5. O-O c6 6. Nbc3 b5 7. Bb3 a5 looks pretty good for black. All you need to do is to get your piece out quickly, play c7-c6, and then strike either in the center (d7-d5) or the queenside. The white queen is actually misplaced on f3, which can later become a target of bishop harassment.

4. Qg3 O-O 5. Qxe5? Bxf2+ 6. Kxf2 Ng4+ wins the queen.

In your game 3... d6 is way too passive. Generally ...d6 is only needed when there is a white knight on f3 attacking e5, which isn’t the case here. That you’re black doesn’t mean you shouldn’t play actively to exploit white’s early queen move.
IMKeto

Lets look at your last game...Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

 

kindaspongey
IMBacon wrote:

… Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

Who said anything about the opening being "the issue" (other than you)?

lostpawn247
kindaspongey wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

… Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

Who said anything about the opening being "the issue" (other than you)?

The OP did when he asked if "there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?"  Notice that there were no games posted and no questions asked about other mistakes that may have been made.

IMBacon and darwinwasright were focusing on the true problem instead of answering the wrong question.  That will benefit Namesnipe more in the long run.

kindaspongey
“... 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Qf3 d6 Is there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?” - Namesnipe (~1 day ago)
lostpawn247 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

… Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

Who said anything about the opening being "the issue" (other than you)?

The OP did when he asked if "there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?" ...

So, if Namesnipe posted a question about the age of Caruana, you believe that it would be appropriate to presume that Namesnipe believed that the age of Caruana was “the issue”?

kindaspongey
lostpawn247 wrote:

... Notice that there were no games posted and no questions asked about other mistakes that may have been made. ...

Is there a rule somewhere that one is not allowed to post a question in the Chess Openings section without posting games and questions about other mistakes?

kindaspongey
lostpawn247 wrote:

... IMBacon and darwinwasright were focusing on the true problem ...

For that purpose, is it necessary to make a presumption about a supposed incorrect belief of Namesnipe about “the true problem”?

kindaspongey
lostpawn247 wrote:

... instead of answering the wrong question. ...

Did someone grant you (or IMBacon or darwinwasright) the authority to decide what questions are wrong in the Chess Openings section?

kindaspongey
lostpawn247 wrote:

... That will benefit Namesnipe more in the long run.

Is there any reason to believe that “benefit” can only be achieved by making a presumption about a supposed incorrect belief of Namesnipe?

lostpawn247
kindaspongey wrote:
lostpawn247 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

… Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

Who said anything about the opening being "the issue" (other than you)?

The OP did when he asked if "there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?" ...

So, if Namesnipe posted a question about the age of Caruana, you believe that it would be appropriate to presume that Namesnipe believed that the age of Caruana was “the issue”?

How is Caruana's age relevant to the discussion???  Why are you trying to take a fact that is irrelevant to make your argument about facts that are relevant when it comes to improving as a chess player.

kindaspongey
"... 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. Qf3 d6 Is there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?” - Namesnipe (~1 day ago)
lostpawn247 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
lostpawn247 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

… Hopefully this helps explain that the opening was not the issue.

Who said anything about the opening being "the issue" (other than you)?

The OP did when he asked if "there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?" ...

So, if Namesnipe posted a question about the age of Caruana, you believe that it would be appropriate to presume that Namesnipe believed that the age of Caruana was “the issue”?

How is Caruana's age relevant to the discussion???  ...

The age question illustrates (I hope) that a question is not necessarily an identification of “the issue”.

kindaspongey
lostpawn247 wrote:

... Why are you trying to take a fact that is irrelevant to make your argument about facts that are relevant when it comes to improving as a chess player.

If it will make you happy, I can illustrate the same point by using a question that is “relevant when it comes to improving as a chess player.” Suppose someone asked about whether or not it would be helpful to do some reading in the book, Discovering Chess Openings? Would it make sense to presume that the person considered that to be “the issue”?

adityasaxena4
Namesnipe wrote:

I played 3 blitz games in a row that started with the Bishop's opening and I got destroyed 2 times but managed to win one. It started with

 
Is there any better way to play against Bishop's opening, if not then how can I push after d6?

There is a better way to counter the Bishops Opening . It's with what is called the Khan gambit . e4 e5 Bc4 d5 and if bxd5 then qf6 and if exd5 then bd6