There is no normal queen pawn opening with this move.
what is the idea behind 3 . Ne4 in Queen Pawn opening
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May 14, 2020
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#3
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
There is no normal queen pawn opening with this move.
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 Ne4
That would be written as 3. ...Ne4
You’d be right if it was by itself ie. “My idea was after black played ...Ne4”. However, if you’re writing out the moves starting with white it would be like 3. e3 Ne4
Also, the idea is to take more space.
May 14, 2020
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#7
In the Budapest gambit black gets active piece play while white gets material a big pawn center.
Beyond that it's not really an opening you can understand through general ideas, you need to look at concrete variations.
Personally all I remember is to play a3 on the next move.
sorry I ment 3......Ne4
May 15, 2020
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#10
Isn't there also another opening with ...Ne4 called the Vulture? I cannot recall if it is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Ne4 or if there is a move that Black plays first and only if 3.Nf3 does he play 3...Ne4, not sure which it is. It is unsound either way if you ask me, but I recall seeing an old book from the 80s or 90s called "The Vulture" where I believe this move was played.
May 15, 2020
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#11
pfren wrote:
ThrillerFan έγραψε:
Isn't there also another opening with ...Ne4 called the Vulture? I cannot recall if it is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 Ne4 or if there is a move that Black plays first and only if 3.Nf3 does he play 3...Ne4, not sure which it is. It is unsound either way if you ask me, but I recall seeing an old book from the 80s or 90s called "The Vulture" where I believe this move was played.
"Der Geier", named by the author FM Stefan Buecker, which means "the vulture" in English.
It goes 1.d4 c5 2.d5 Nf6 3.c4 Ne4?!
I even tried this once against my friend WGM Botsari, and lost badly in less than 25 moves.
Thanks pfren, so it was c5 that I was missing. Yeah, I can just imagine why you lost so bad with it. Might even be worse than the Fajarowicz, and yes, your game with 4.a3 I have always viewed as the bust. Black seems to be hoping for a move like 4.Nc3 or some other inferior move.
I'm not even 100% convinced that the Budapest (3...Ng4) is fully sound either, but it can't be nearly as bad as the Fajarowicz or Vulture.
thanks to all and all their help
May 15, 2020
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#13
I had no idea Ng4 was better than Ne4. I've never played the Budapest from either side haha.
May 15, 2020
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#14
llama44 wrote:
I had no idea Ng4 was better than Ne4. I've never played the Budapest from either side haha.
I've played the booty proper once over the board and once via 4.Bf4 g5. I recall drawing the first and losing the second.
Not an opening I ever have any intention of playing. Never have or will play the Fajarowicz or Vulture.
pl explain