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What is the sharpest line against the Caro Kann?
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My guess would be 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 e5.
Oct 21, 2017
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#5
DeirdreSkye wrote:
I thought that Caro Kan advance becomes pretty sharp if white aims for an early g4.
This is true, If black goes for 3...Bf5. I myself play 3...c5 against the advanced.
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Advance Caro-Kann isn't very tactical. In general, black gets to decide how tactical the games are. For instance, I like 1. e4 ...c6 2. d4. ...d5 3. Nc3 ...de 4. Nxe4 ...Nf6 5. Nxf6 for black.
This line leads to messy/irrational positions.
Shirov crushed many GM with this weapons (and was crushed too!).
One example u shouldn't show to anyone with a heart condition.
cool. i'll definitely be trying this.
pdve wrote:
I want to play a bloody sharp game against the Caro Kann but Black often is able to make the game positional. I want something like the English attack in the Sicilian. I know Panov Botvinnik attack is one sharp line but I want something even sharper.
First off, although you don`t mean to, I think that your question is a little insulting. The Caro-Kann deserves a lot more respect. If you apologise, I will forgive you. There are aggressive lines, not "bloody sharp" unless you want to lose!
Oct 22, 2017
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#9
Fantasy variation has a bit of a bite, however if you want real chaos play the Shirov variation of the advanced
I used to have the same problem, I'm an attacking player, but, it's usually pretty difficult to get a tactical game against such a solid positional opening. I found this variation usually makes makes the game really sharp, I believe it's call the Fantasy Variation
Computer engines don't like it, but, I've been having great results with it because most Caro-Kann players aren't ready for open fighting games and are used to relying on positional skills. And yes, I know you move the f-pawn, however, with the pawn on d4 the g1-h7 diagonal will be closed until you can safely castle, which the rapid development you get will allow you to do quite early. Here is an example from one of my games.
My opponant resigned after 9 moves since my pieces were already completly invading and dominating. Anyway I hope this helps.
Oct 22, 2017
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#12
Homsar wrote:
I used to have the same problem, I'm an attacking player, but, it's usually pretty difficult to get a tactical game against such a solid positional opening. I found this variation usually makes makes the game really sharp, I believe it's call the Fantasy Variation
Computer engines don't like it, but, I've been having great results with it because most Caro-Kann players aren't ready for open fighting games and are used to relying on positional skills. And yes, I know you move the f-pawn, however, with the pawn on d4 the g1-h7 diagonal will be closed until you can safely castle, which the rapid development you get will allow you to do quite early. Here is an example from one of my games.
My opponant resigned after 9 moves since my pieces were already completly invading and dominating. Anyway I hope this helps.
Oct 22, 2017
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#13
greekgift_221b wrote:
Karpov is a player with a unique strength. So Caro-Kann is pretty much okay when he plays it, but after 3. e5, White alerady has an advantage.
Define advantage. White has an "advantage" before the game even begins. With 3.e5 white gains some space but that is far from any kind of meaningful advantage IMO. One could argue that white is wasting some time by pushing the e pawn again and black can aim for a French structure with 3...c5 which immediately challenges whites center with the bonus of not having a blocked in light squared bishop. The advanced doesn't scare me one bit.
Oct 22, 2017
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#14
greekgift_221b wrote:
After 3... c5 White just grabs a pawn and politely says : "Thank you."
So thank you and all other 1800 players who play c5, you are very helpful
This statement just shows you don't have a clue. Assuming I'm an 1800 after a few rapid games is equally as ignorant. Have a nice day
The October 2017 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 4192 August games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1...c5, 1...e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries are: 271 Retis, 232 King's Indians, 172 Caro-Kanns, 165 Nimzo-Indians, 126 Najdorf Sicilians, 126 Slavs, 118 declined Queen's Gambits, 100 Queen's Indians, 98 1...e5 Englishes, 94 1...c5 Englishes, 93 Kan Sicilians, 81 Tarrasch Frenches, 77 1...Nf6 Englishes, 73 Guioco Pianos, 67 1...e6 Englishes, and 66 Moderns
Oct 22, 2017
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#16
Lol ok buddy. First of all, if I was gonna pay for c5 lines, I'd find somebody way higher rated and less of a jacka$$. As for that game you're trying to poke fun at me over, yeah I was totally winning and wound up losing a drawn position on time. Excuse me for being rusty after returning to chess after a 6 month break. I'm sure I could go through your game history and find some really stupid losses by you, but I'm not that childish. Now that you've shown how much of a prick you are, I'm definitely done speaking to you.
Oct 22, 2017
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#18
At least I didn't get wrecked by a dumb 2000 rated computer that started 1.c3
I've been playing the Caro-K recently and have been struggling when White plays the Advance variation, 3. e5. It leads to a very cramped position for Black, and difficulty developing his knights and bishops.
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poucin wrote:
Optimissed a écrit :
Advance Caro-Kann isn't very tactical. In general, black gets to decide how tactical the games are. For instance, I like 1. e4 ...c6 2. d4. ...d5 3. Nc3 ...de 4. Nxe4 ...Nf6 5. Nxf6 for black.
This line leads to messy/irrational positions.
Shirov crushed many GM with this weapons (and was crushed too!).
One example u shouldn't show to anyone with a heart condition.>>
It really isn't all that tactical. g4 is an anti-positional move with aggressive intentions but the centre is blocked and black only needs to make sensible moves. White gets a bit more space and I don't suppose black should 0-0 too soon but it should be about even ..... I occasionally play the Caro Kann as a second string to the Sicilian, although I'm not very good at it, and sometimes the g4 line comes up. It seems easier to play against than the Panov, against which I play Bb4, which seems OK ....
"black only needs to make sensible moves. White gets a bit more space and I don't suppose black should 0-0 too soon but it should be about even".
All this is abstract but chess is concrete, especially in sharp lines.
There is some reason we don't see anymore this line at high level (maybe just fashion), but i don't know an easy way for black to handle this position.
Black is probably fine, but not whistling...
I want to play a bloody sharp game against the Caro Kann but Black often is able to make the game positional. I want something like the English attack in the Sicilian. I know Panov Botvinnik attack is one sharp line but I want something even sharper.