When does Black castle Queenside?

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zxb995511

To my knowledge there is only one opening that black has the "explicit idea" or "theory has it" that black is supposed to castle queenside and that opening is the Scandinavian but other than that one are there any openings that also have the idea or theory that black goes 0-0-0?

jerry2468

Well the game of chess has black castling QueensideTongue out

zxb995511
jerry2468 wrote:

Well the game of chess has black castling Queenside


Im talking about specific openings.

ivandh

Black often castles queenside against the Bongcloud to reinforce the center against the onslaught of white's king.

msoewulff

whenever black wants to, if hes gonna pawnstorm the kingside.

DrizztD

There are some lines in the sicilian where black delays castling, and often finds himself castling queenside in the end.

Elubas

I'm sure there are, some examples being some lines of the sicilian (like the kan, though kingside is still the most common spot), more often in the french, the albin counter gambit.

mnag

The Nimzovich Defense (1. e4 Nc6) has Black often castling queenside.

BigTy

Semi-slav Botvinnik variation, Winawer poisoned pawn, some sicilian lines like the Richter Rauzer and 6.Bg5 Najdorf (not often though), and the Albin counter gambit are a few that I can think of. It seems much more common for white to go long.

zxb995511

I guess I wasen't so crazy after all. Castling queenside for black IS indeed rare...

zxb995511
Fiveofswords wrote:

well it makes sense that it would be rare, since black doesnt usually wanna wait to long to castle being behind in devleopment, and it takes longer to castle queenside, also involing a possibly premature commital spot for the queen


I sense some wisdom in this simple observation...that basically brings my question to a close.

erik

quite often in the french. 

Atos

Some Caro Kann variations I think ?

baronspam
Atos wrote:

Some Caro Kann variations I think ?


Yes, I have been doing some looking around in Caro Kann theory and have seen some compelling games where black castles long and then pawn storms the king side.

ninevah
When you want to do a pawnstorm, for example:
CoachConradAllison

In some lines in the scotch meises

werewaffle

nice game ninevah

lebronjames6

ahhh for black to castle queenside, you typically see alot of closed structures, for example, see the caro-kann, scandavian(centre-counter), french, for white to castle queenside is a whole different ballpark: msoewulff said", whenever black wants to, if hes gonna pawnstorm the kingside", and yes this is very much true, especially in the main lines of the sicilian najdorf as white. hmmmmm this is interesting i never see white queenside castle in anymore games other than in najdorf games....

Dragec

No one mentioned Ruy Lopez exchange variation, where black usually castles long. Cool

Sqod

In some lines of the Petroff, and in some lines of the Najdorf Sicilian, Black castles queenside. There are probably many other openings like that, but those are two I happened to know off the top of my head.