Why does the London have a bad reputation?

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Ninja_Tribunal

It doesn't have a bad reputation, the bridge just keeps falling down. jk! jk! jk! lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

Gandalf
Ninja_Tribunal wrote:

It doesn't have a bad reputation, the bridge just keeps falling down. jk! jk! jk! lol 🤣 🤣 🤣

You literally already said that...

Bruvoskity

...already

Ninja_Tribunal

sorry. I didn't know if it sent or not because this guy challenged me to a 10 minute standard chess game and I clicked send on the comment and a second after that, I pressed the accept challenge thing. lol

Bruvoskity

Here's a game I played with the Accelerated London...

 

Bruvoskity
Ninja_Tribunal wrote:

sorry. I didn't know if it sent or not because this guy challenged me to a 10 minute standard chess game and I clicked send on the comment and a second after that, I pressed the accept challenge thing. lol

Lemme see...did you use the London?

Bruvoskity
iggy_the_ant wrote:
Nightly-Knight wrote:

Here's a game I played with the Accelerated London...

 

ok well 2.Be6 is downright bad

YEAH! LOL I was white, I didn't do that move. Don't blame me.

Gandalf

Did they resign there? Or timeout?

Ninja_Tribunal

cool

Alchessblitz

How to say there are players who almost never play against artificial intelligence and are in clubs and they reason with "a chess vision formatted" in relation to their social environment etc.

for example 1) e4-e5 2) Bc4 it can already be a sign that White whould be "a noob". "Good players from formatted clubs" etc. should play Spanish, Italian or Scottish.  The other moves they have a general idea overviewed quickly in books (can be old, existing before the super-calculators as Fritz 8) where it is in category "weak opening". And when playing against players who play with White 1) e4-e5 2) Bc4 these players with White are weaker than  players  with Black and when they play this opening it is to try scholar's mat. In the end these good players etc. probably can only convince themselves that 1) e4-e5 2) Bc4 is a very bad opening and that it exists because "there are big chess noobs".

 

And there are other players who also play against artificial intelligences and therefore "cannot work with the same human formation". They also have a differnet vision of the game chess because their chess experience is different.

With strong opponents controlled by artificial intelligence, bots can play "anything" and still be formidable. 1) e4-e5 bot can play 2) Bc4 and never lose. 

 

They are opennings that are objectively more or less bad like with Black 1) e4-e5 2) Nf3-f6 but otherwise it is something subjective and the story of bad reputation or hate openning  is just something with sociological impact.

  

Bruvoskity
GandalfThePowerful wrote:

Did they resign there? Or timeout?

Timed out. It was 10 minute game, though. So this guy had time to think.

As you can see, I always blunder in the middle game. It isn't because of the opening that I was doing bad..

Gandalf
Nightly-Knight wrote:
GandalfThePowerful wrote:

Did they resign there? Or timeout?

Timed out. It was 10 minute game, though. So this guy had time to think.

As you can see, I always blunder in the middle game. It isn't because of the opening that I was doing bad..

True...

CrypticPassage
Nightly-Knight wrote:

Here's a game I played with the Accelerated London...

 

You literally played with a 67% accuracy that game.....

You even managed to play with a lower accuracy than your opponent, who was also horrible

Bruvoskity
CrypticPassage wrote:
Nightly-Knight wrote:

Here's a game I played with the Accelerated London...

 

You literally played with a 67% accuracy that game.....

You even managed to play with a lower accuracy than your opponent

I know grin.png

CrypticPassage
Nightly-Knight wrote:
CrypticPassage wrote:
Nightly-Knight wrote:

Here's a game I played with the Accelerated London...

 

You literally played with a 67% accuracy that game.....

You even managed to play with a lower accuracy than your opponent

I know

So how is that match supposed to help your London System case?

Bruvoskity

Well, it doesn't exactly. The thing is, the blunders I played isn't because of the opening. It's just my brain not living up to my expectations.

I am not trying to make a point to support the London. And if I wanted to have a case with the London System I wouldn't use my games because I am a terrible chess player.

 

Kowarenai
themaskedbishop wrote:

I don't need to, Iggy Pop.  The London is a club opening, and nobody of any seriousness over, say, Class B will play it. Oh, I'm sure you can find some GM game somewhere with it so don't bother posting a link. Just ring me next time you see it on the FIDE Grand Prix.

eh i was gonna disagree but this is generally true, most players usually will pretty much either never use it or use it from time to time for fun or when they prefer more casual things. usually now i don't think much elite players have used it except carlsen who i think is a fan of it but with some move orders and relatively he has used it as a joke opening due to eric hyping it a lot

Bruvoskity

Hmm... Interesting...

Brian, what is your opinion on the vant Krujis

Kowarenai

actually i take back the part that he uses it as a joke opening but rather he is just being carlsen doing what he does best which is just bringing life to the most driest dead positions beautifully. one prime example of this would be his more deadly silent Ba3 move against Ding which really stunned many and while many can say its just cause its magnus, he shows how its very lethal.

 

Kowarenai
Nightly-Knight wrote:

Hmm... Interesting...

Brian, what is your opinion on the vant Krujis

relatively i have enjoyed playing it even in OTB having scored some well done games and i did have to switch some move orders against masters from past experiences, going with the reti move 1.Nf3 then e3 transposing into the english structures and normal setups i would play. this is one of my recent games in OTB competition classical format against a 1900 who raged in the ending when he lost the piece but overall its definitely my type of fun, its just universal ngl