I think simular one is played by Top GM's (2700+) Position might be wrong but i am pretty sure about black pawn chain.
Why is the Snake Benoni so rarely played?
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Aug 8, 2017
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#23
I wouldnt base an opening on what GM's think, or what the results are at that level. I think we need to keep in mind that we arent GM's, or elite players. It doesnt matter what we play. I play the Benko gambit, and have had to listen to how its busted at the GM level. What do i care? I dont play at the GM level, and it works fine against A, and Expert players.
Aug 8, 2017
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#24
I think the thing is when you are at low level to know and have an idea what openings GM play if they are close to yours you could copy them , but yea agree, IM and GM openings are useless at <1800-2000 level.
What i mean is that those players can play french exchange opening and still one side lose etc..
Aug 10, 2017
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#25
I think this opening is fine, but it is somewhat awkward with both sides passively fighting for the centre, and in some ways not fighting for the centre. In that way it is somewhat similar to Alekhine's Defence in its first moves
The positions are objectively not very good for black, at least according to my Stockfish. Computers are highly skeptical of this opening and that's important because super-GM analysis is mostly done with them. At amateur level this opening is playable, but then most things are.
its often considered dubious at best
This is a very good opening...
To be crushed.
The idea Bd6-c7-a5 is appealing, but spends too much time.
A typical game :
Sure black can improve.
Maybe this opening is playable, but believe me, very difficult to handle.
IMBacon a écrit :
I wouldnt base an opening on what GM's think, or what the results are at that level. I think we need to keep in mind that we arent GM's, or elite players. It doesnt matter what we play. I play the Benko gambit, and have had to listen to how its busted at the GM level. What do i care? I dont play at the GM level, and it works fine against A, and Expert players.
Benko is not busted at GM level.
Many GM continue to play it although the famous a4 variation set some problems, but then come the "new" move order with Qa5 (fell free to ask if u want more info)...
In fact, practically all lines of the Benoni with ...c5 are practically unseen at the top GM level. This is probably due to fashion (as in the case of the Modern Benoni) or potential risk (the Snake Benoni falls into this category). While the Modern Benoni has had its ups and downs, it remains a perfect viable opening. The reason why elite grandmasters aren't playing it as much is due to the ongoing trends of fashionable openings, for example, everyone seems to be playing the Giuoco Piano now when it was considered rather innocuous ten years earlier. The Snake Benoni, however...it is definitely dubious. The idea behind the move is to reroute the bishop to a5, but really? Three moves in the opening to move the bishop to a square where it will ultimately be exchanged? The whole plan just seems far too slow, and futhermore since Black hasn't moved his pawn to d6 then White can try to set up a dark square bind with d6 and e5, which puts a horrible clamp on Black's counterplay. So, while I would not recommend the Snake Benoni to anyone, not just of its popularity but because of its risky ideas, the Modern Benoni I would consider to be an excellent choice for a Black advantage out of the opening.
Jun 21, 2021
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#33
The line is fully playable but is objectively inferior to the modern Benoni. The ideas are very complex and I advise you to do some serious digging before you play this opening.
Jun 25, 2021
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#34
almost all the weird lines of the old benoni (looking at your animal crackers named ones!) except possibly the old czech benoni (which gets bad evals, because engines really like their space) are objectively funky. They survived for a while based on their crookedness and lack of deep theory more than anything. in the days of depth 50 cloud engines with 3300 rating at your fingertips, they were on a timer at master level. (not that they were ever that popular)
poucin
Yes, I would like to know a little about the new move order in the Benko Gambit with Qa5 which helps to avoid the famous "a4" variation.
Snake Benoni is just too easy to play as Black.
Try something more challenging...
A Reversed Snake Benoni with Black starting with 1.c4
If you can do that, you got it going on!
Jun 25, 2021
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#37
Too much time in an open position. I’d say that the czech snake is sounder because at least the center is locked.
Jun 29, 2021
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#38
I think the bishop on d6 just strikes people as counterintuitive and apositional.
epicdraw wrote:
Nobody likes snakes
1.not relevant
2.lol
i think after c4 black will probably play c6 and after d4 we are at QGD,slav,semi-slav lines...