why knights before bishops?

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stalkingwolf

One of the general opening rules is Knights before Bishops... We've all heard it... But I'm not too sure of its reasoning. Anyone care to enlighten me on this guideline?!

littleman
Well i believe its to do with controling the center knights can control more sqaures sooner and dont have to wait for the pawn structure to be right to be effective. Wheres the biships do in the intitual phase of the game.....
rokadus

I understood that it is because it is easier to decide where to place your knights ...

 


Sprite
Yeah, it's basically that knights are easy to place.  Their best squares are Nc3/Nc6 and Nf3/Nf6 (with some exceptions depending on the opening)  Here they exert force on the center. Bishops are developed a little later because they are not as easy as knights to place.
BlueKnightShade
It could also be because the knights need more moves in order to reach the other end of the board as well as the center, while bishops can control both the center and the other end from the edge of the board. So the knights are less active in the start position compared with the bishops. Therefore get them out fast.

Lord-Svenstikov
Furthermore, bishops can be chased around the board if brought out too early and too far. Knights are limited to rank 3 (rank 6 for black) at most near the start, so they are not chased around.
ivandh
Moving the bishops means moving pawns. Knights don't require so much commitment to a certain pawn structure.
batgirl

Bishops have more money, so the poor Knights have to go directly to the Front.


Ray_Brooks
BlueKnightShade wrote: It could also be because the knights need more moves in order to reach the other end of the board as well as the center, while bishops can control both the center and the other end from the edge of the board. So the knights are less active in the start position compared with the bishops. Therefore get them out fast.

Exactly!


batgirl

1. A Knight can move without first moving pawns.

2. Knight moves are ambiguous since they have only certain squares that make sense and such moves a general with most openings. A Bishop's landing square telegraph's the player's intentions. So, moving Knight's first is a way of not showing your cards too soon.

3. By the same token, often the Bishop's best square can be better determined once the other player has committed himself to some plan. Generally, with the Knight's the choice of squares is limited anyway.


kingamrk55
the general rule to follow is, knight are better on a closed board while bishops are better on an open board!.....in any case i prefer bishops, but the value of each fluctuates
tzv357

i don't know too much in depth or neither have I studied books but... i like to use my pawns first to get an opening for bishops... i'm not too fond in using my knights... dunno why... though i've been playing chess for over 10 years now...

Bizarrebra

I think it's also related to the basic principle that in the first moves one has to control the center. Two knights control all of the 4 central squares from a safe position, whereas two bishops can only control 2 central squares from a somehow exposed square.

 

If we add this to the "move first the less mobile piece" rule already mentioned, I think it becomes even clearer.

Shivsky

Agree with the earlier posts suggesting that you are showing your hand with each piece move. Knights are slow-moving and don't have two many initial jump squares They don't convey as much of their intent as do the bishop on their first move.

Mammalman

another reason is that bishops can get trapped in front of their own pawn chains. when this happens it's sometimes easy to exchange a knight for that bishop, maybe hurting the opponent's pawn structure too, and/or taking away his bishop pair. those are both positional advantages, especially if you think you can exchange one or two pairs of pawns and maybe a pair of knights to open things up for your bishop pair and get closer to an endgame where their weaker pawn structure is a bigger deal.

jwhitesj
stalkingwolf wrote:

One of the general opening rules is Knights before Bishops... We've all heard it... But I'm not too sure of its reasoning. Anyone care to enlighten me on this guideline?!


 I'm a little suprised a 1900 is asking this question.  Knights before bishops are because generally Knights are easier to figure out where the best square will be early.  Bishops sometimes it takes a little while before you know where to put the bishop to have the most effect.  The fact that there are fewer options with the knights is why they are generally developed first, but it's also because the knights do a fabulous job of covering 2 center squares.

Phelon

b2 and g2 need protection until you can castle or move a rook over! haha.

Knightvanguard

I'm prejudice. I like the knight, so he goes first.  

blake78613

It's a specific example of Lasker's idea of maximizing your options.  Following his principle you should move first the piece with the fewer options.

photochess1

Knights before bishops should refer to the opening moves! some players think of them as the defense pieces and the bishops as attacking pieces.But used right the knights can be very effective in some attacks but a lot of players feel the bishops are the better piece to have in the end games.